Christian Perspectives Concerning the Law

[Apprehended]

While the the old ceremonial law of ordinances have been nailed to the cross, Christ having fulfilled all, Jesus lifted the moral law out of the domain of the natural and carnal realm into that of the spiritual.

Paul called the moral law given to Moses on the mountain, holy, just and good. But then in Rom 7:14 he called it "spiritual." The law lifted from the carnal state, though holy, just and good is seen in a new light that Jesus brought to this law, making it spiritual.

Much can be said about this but this would not be the place to delve too deeply into it. However, David being both King and Prophet understood this "spiritual" concept of the carnal law. It occupied his thoughts continually. With each new discovery wrought in his mind from the marvelous light that burst forth as the horns of a rising sun, he was obsessed with going further into the unsearchable regions of the worth, value and expanse of the "spiritual law."

But, on the other hand, we are never too far away from the hiss of the serpent in the tree of knowledge...."sssss...thou shalt not surely die...." The wise man will turn from hearing the hiss and will turn to the tree of life and wonder at the life-giving powers in the fruit from it's tree...the law of the Lord.

"Thy Word, have I hid in my heart...."

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

While the the old ceremonial law of ordinances have been nailed to the cross, Christ having fulfilled all, Jesus lifted the moral law out of the domain of the natural and carnal realm into that of the spiritual.

Amen. And He adjusted how we accomplish those laws by having the Spirit inspire and empower us to do them, rather than self making self so them.

[IvyWalker]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen. And He adjusted how we accomplish those laws by having the Spirit inspire and empower us to do them, rather than self making self so them.

So we are still required to be fully compliant to the Law? Is the penalty that was endured by Jesus past, present or future?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by IvyWalker

So we are still required to be fully compliant to the Law? Is the penalty that was endured by Jesus past, present or future?

As I said there are elements of Law that are typological of the reality we have simply by being in Christ, like the feasts. We actually keep the feasts of Israel in the truest sense, of which those feasts were only a shadow. For example, Jesus is my sabbath! It is not a day but an eternal state.

And any curse that was issued by Law was fulfilled in Christ and taken for us, so we need not obey certain laws to not be cursed, but to remain in Christ. For example, tithing was meant to keep a person from a curse. But the cross caused Christ to become a curse for us. That means we cannot replace the cross with tithing. Pay tithes to be blessed. But not to avoid a curse.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by mfblume

As I said there are elements of Law that are typological of the reality we have simply by being in Christ, like the feasts. We actually keep the feasts of Israel in the truest sense, of which those feasts were only a shadow. For example, Jesus is my sabbath! It is not a day but an eternal state.

I like your answer, but where do you get that from? Did the Jews understand the festival (many which were given as a way of remembering) to be temporary and a shadow of something to come?

And any curse that was issued by Law was fulfilled in Christ and taken for us, so we need not obey certain laws to not be cursed, but to remain in Christ. For example, tithing was meant to keep a person from a curse. But the cross caused Christ to become a curse for us. That means we cannot replace the cross with tithing. Pay tithes to be blessed. But not to avoid a curse.

I like much of what you said here.

So, to her original question to you, is the penalty that was endured by Jesus past, present or future?

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by mfblume

As I said there are elements of Law that are typological of the reality we have simply by being in Christ, like the feasts. We actually keep the feasts of Israel in the truest sense, of which those feasts were only a shadow. For example, Jesus is my sabbath! It is not a day but an eternal state.

And any curse that was issued by Law was fulfilled in Christ and taken for us, so we need not obey certain laws to not be cursed, but to remain in Christ. For example, tithing was meant to keep a person from a curse. But the cross caused Christ to become a curse for us. That means we cannot replace the cross with tithing. Pay tithes to be blessed. But not to avoid a curse.

Amen!!! I personally like to say:
Pay tithes in the OT
Give tithes in the NT

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Amen!!! I personally like to say:
Pay tithes in the OT
Give tithes in the NT

Well, I'd go beyond that and say GIVE (not pay tithes because the entire system for tithing is nowhere near similar to what was expected in scripture). And I don't give to be blessed. I give because that's a summary of much of my life. He gave so generously, when I was so undeserving, so I give to others generously. It's a way of worship that mirrors the cross. It all goes back to the Gospel

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Well, I'd go beyond that and say GIVE (not pay tithes because the entire system for tithing is nowhere near similar to what was expected in scripture). And I don't give to be blessed. I give because that's a summary of much of my life. He gave so generously, when I was so undeserving, so I give to others generously. It's a way of worship that mirrors the cross. It all goes back to the Gospel

Yes, I agree it's all about giving. I was just trying to point that "pay" makes it legalistic while "give" makes it out of love.

Luke 6:30Give to every man that asketh of thee...

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Amen!!! I personally like to say:
Pay tithes in the OT
Give tithes in the NT

Great way of saying it!

[mfblume]

Why can't things be discussed without belittlement of another's thoughts? Been happening A WHOLE LOT in the last several weeks.

We should be able to make a point, let others agree or disagree, and say why, and then leave it at that. Why the belittlement? Really turns me off.