Christian Perspectives Concerning the Law

[A.W. Bowman]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The simple written Word of God, presented to our poor scholastically deficient minds together with the Holy Ghost within, unencumbered by vain teachings of traditions, will teach and enlightened those things written that they may be perfectly understood.

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD [is] perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD [is] sure, making wise the simple

Question: Looking at the [dis]unity of the body of Christ throughout the world, even within the OP movement - what went wrong?

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

Question: Looking at the [dis]unity of the body of Christ throughout the world, even within the OP movement - what went wrong?

In spite of all the disunity, the dissimulation, envy and strife, nothing has gone wrong.

The body of Christ is not divided while recalling the words of the Apostle, "Is Christ divided?" His true body is standing tall, handsome and majestic in the earth, in total unity and harmony...every joint in its place performing each and every function assigned to it.

We must remember the words of Jesus concerning the Kingdom of God noting particularly that it comes not with observation:

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

The mystical body is just that. It is a spiritual body that cannot be identified wholly as one group or even a collection of groups in absolute harmony with each other. Jesus continues on:

Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Thus, it is not a formal body as we think of such. It is the mystical body of one here, one there, a few over there, one or two elsewhere...some times totally unknown of each other...but yet, all are spiritually ONE in Christ, the King, comprising the Kingdom of God. Finally Jesus said:

Luk 17:23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after [them], nor follow [them].

Anyone or any group that purports itself to the exclusive body of Christ are deceivers. Jesus said to not go after or follow them. Nevertheless, the body of Christ is one. Nothing has gone wrong...the Kingdom of God is predestined to be all that God intended for it to be from the beginning. Nothing will be lost. All that are his will come to Him and will be wholly united into the mystical body of Christ upon the earth which has the affect of populating the kingdom of God in heaven...daily.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

In spite of all the disunity, the dissimulation, envy and strife, nothing has gone wrong.

The body of Christ is not divided while recalling the words of the Apostle, "Is the body of Christ divided?" His true body is standing tall, handsome and majestic in the earth, in total unity and harmony...every joint in its place performing each and every function assigned to it.

We must remember the words of Jesus concerning the Kingdom of God noting particularly that it comes not with observation:

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

The mystical body is just that. It is a spiritual body that cannot be identified wholly as one group or even a collection of groups in absolute harmony with each other. Jesus continues on:

Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Thus, it is not a formal body as we think of such. It is the mystical body of one here, one there, a few over there, one or two elsewhere...some times totally unknown of each other...but yet, all are spiritually ONE in Christ, the King, comprising the Kingdom of God. Finally Jesus said:

Luk 17:23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after [them], nor follow [them].

Anyone or any group that purports itself to the exclusive body of Christ are deceivers. Jesus said to not go after or follow them. Nevertheless, the body of Christ is one. Nothing has gone wrong...the Kingdom of God is predestined to be all that God intended for it to be from the beginning. Nothing will be lost. All that are his will come to Him and will be wholly united into the mystical body of Christ upon the earth which has the affect of populating the kingdom of God in heaven...daily.

Your application of the KOG parables is exactly why I reasoned about the complexity of handling scripture in my prior post.

Yes, the KOG is one where we are born from above, it has transcendent reign, but to suggest that Jesus and Paul expected the Body of believers to be fragmented, bickering over non-issues and putting religious frames around such a beautiful art that is the Gospel... well, I can't agree that that's true. The KOG is within you, but it's also worked out best in community. Together. Unity. Paul talks of unity MUCH in his epistles. We don't have a picture of: let everyone splinter off, we are one Body anyway.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Your application of the KOG parables is exactly why I reasoned about the complexity of handling scripture in my prior post.

Yes, the KOG is one where we are born from above, it has transcendent reign, but to suggest that Jesus and Paul expected the Body of believers to be fragmented, bickering over non-issues and putting religious frames around such a beautiful art that is the Gospel... well, I can't agree that that's true. The KOG is within you, but it's also worked out best in community. Together. Unity. Paul talks of unity MUCH in his epistles. We don't have a picture of: let everyone splinter off, we are one Body anyway.

Now don't be like that "other guy" of whom I accused of not being able to read.

I neither said or suggested that Jesus and Paul EXPECTED the body of believers to be fragmented, bickering...etc., etc..

I said plainly that the body of Christ is ONE. That is not fragmented. Every joint of his body is fitly and properly placed...Eph. 4:16, "...the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth."

WHEW!!!

Sometimes, it's hard to be understood.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Now don't be like that "other guy" of whom I accused of not being able to read.

I neither said or suggested that Jesus and Paul EXPECTED the body of believers to be fragmented, bickering...etc., etc..

I said plainly that the body of Christ is ONE. That is not fragmented. Every joint of his body is fitly and properly placed...Eph. 4:16, "...the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth."

WHEW!!!

Sometimes, it's hard to be understood.

Then your response never really adequately answered HaShal's comments.

[A.W. Bowman]

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

Question: Looking at the [dis]unity of the body of Christ throughout the world, even within the OP movement - what went wrong?

My question has been answered.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

My question has been answered.

That the OP isn't really fragmented because we are all one Body?

If you say so... It was your question.

[A.W. Bowman]

Originally Posted by Socialite

That the OP isn't really fragmented because we are all one Body?

If you say so... It was your question.

Not at all - the OP is just as fragmented as the rest of the body of Christ.