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01-18-2011, 04:49 PM
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Re: Agree or disagree in total?? Why?
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Originally Posted by Carpenter
How about now?
God the Father is the creator and sustainer of everything. He composed the universe-in all of its beauty and glory-and while He was making this universe, He made man in His own image so that He could have fellowship with him. After man fell, God the Father graciously called man back into fellowship with Him through Christ.
Jesus Christ is God and is the Son of God. He is the living Word of God, and through Him all things were created. Born to the Virgin Mary and of the Holy Spirit, Jesus left heaven and came to earth as a man to redeem mankind. He is completely God and completely man.
The Holy Spirit is God, and He is the Giver of life. The Spirit was active during the Old Testament, often speaking and working through the Jewish prophets. But it was on the day of Pentecost that He was given to the Church in fullness. The Holy Spirit works in our lives to transform us into the image of Jesus. He also empowers us to serve Jesus, and to be witnesses to His name. He is fully released in our lives by the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which happens after salvation. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is shown both inwardly and outwardly by many different ways.
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I still could live with it, but like NOW question the value of fine dissection...
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01-18-2011, 04:52 PM
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Re: Agree or disagree in total?? Why?
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Originally Posted by Carpenter
I just found this in a what we believe statement of a very popular church...do you agree or disagree? In total, you can't just agree with one part and not the other...my post, I make the rules. 
The Son
Jesus Christ is God and is the Son of God. He is the living Word of God, and through Him all things were created. Born to the Virgin Mary and of the Holy Spirit, Jesus left heaven and came to earth as a man to redeem mankind. He is completely God and completely man. |
Without further qualification I can agree with this except for the "left heaven" part. Language like that has to be seen as a sort of anthropomorphism or metaphor...God did not literally leave heaven
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-18-2011, 04:55 PM
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Re: Agree or disagree in total?? Why?
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I have a problem with this portion:
"Born to the Virgin Mary and of the Holy Spirit, Jesus left heaven and came to earth as a man...."
I believe God left heaven and came to earth as the man, Jesus; the man, Jesus, didn't exist until he was born to Mary.
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But who is or was Jesus the man? Is He not God? This is like saying "President Obama was born in Hawaii"...it does not mean He was president at the time he was born
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-18-2011, 04:59 PM
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the ultracon
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Re: Agree or disagree in total?? Why?
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Originally Posted by notofworks
i just went out and did a quick survey of 1,000 meth addicts, prostitutes, homeless folks, prison inmates, the hungry, the thirsty, and the cold.
None of them cared.
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post of the day
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01-18-2011, 05:04 PM
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Re: Agree or disagree in total?? Why?
Where oh where has the "simplicity of the Gospel" gone to?
BT
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01-18-2011, 08:35 PM
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Re: Agree or disagree in total?? Why?
Here are a couple of verses to ponder:
John 3:13 (KJV)
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (Also see Danial 7:13)
Then there is this:
John 6:38 (KJV)
For I [Jesus] came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me
Also see John 6:42-43. 6:51 & 58.
John 14:13, 15:16, 16:23
So, let doctrine match scripture, not the other way around.
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01-18-2011, 08:36 PM
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Re: Agree or disagree in total?? Why?
"came down from" speaks of origin, not that Jesus left heaven behind that is to undeify himself
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-18-2011, 08:49 PM
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A Student of the Word
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Re: Agree or disagree in total?? Why?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
"came down from" speaks of origin, not that Jesus left heaven behind that is to undeify himself
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Please explain.
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01-18-2011, 09:31 PM
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Re: Agree or disagree in total?? Why?
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Originally Posted by notofworks
I just went out and did a quick survey of 1,000 meth addicts, prostitutes, homeless folks, prison inmates, the hungry, the thirsty, and the cold.
None of them cared.
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What does this post have to do with me answering Carp's question? Honestly, n.o.w. None of them care about YOUR post, either. 
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
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01-18-2011, 09:36 PM
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Re: Agree or disagree in total?? Why?
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Originally Posted by DAII
It's like saying my mom, sister Alicea, didn't exist before marrying my Dad.
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No, it isn't. I said the man, Jesus, didn't exist until He was born of Mary. Are you of the opinion that He did? God became flesh and dwelt among us...before that, the flesh of God did not exist.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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