Mammoth Resurrection

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by scotty

Would they have a soul ? Could they experience salvation ? What would God's stance be for those who are "re-created" after His own image ?

One would assume since the clone was human, he would have a soul the same way as all other humans do. That same logic would apply towards his ability to gain salvation.

I am sure God's stance for this human would be the same for the clone as for any human. Why would him being cloned change God's stance on him? It's not like he asked to be cloned, lol.

Now, one could try to make an argument that the clone does not have a soul and therefore could not be human, but to me, that would be a silly argument, since we cannot determine where the soul is or how to measure for it.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Twisp

One would assume since the clone was human, he would have a soul the same way as all other humans do. That same logic would apply towards his ability to gain salvation.

I am sure God's stance for this human would be the same for the clone as for any human. Why would him being cloned change God's stance on him? It's not like he asked to be cloned, lol.

Now, one could try to make an argument that the clone does not have a soul and therefore could not be human, but to me, that would be a silly argument, since we cannot determine where the soul is or how to measure for it.

Do you think that its in the will of God's grand plan for us to clone mankind this way ?

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by scotty

Do you think that its in the will of God's grand plan for us to clone mankind this way ?

I don't think we can say one way or the other.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Twisp

I don't think we can say one way or the other.

Would you agree that it is a break away from His natural design ?

If God was angry with man for building the tower of babel to get closer to Him, would it be too far a stretch to think He would have a problem with man trying to be Him ?

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by scotty

Would you agree that it is a break away from His natural design ?

If God was angry with man for building the tower of babel to get closer to Him, would it be too far a stretch to think He would have a problem with man trying to be Him ?

Who knows? As said earlier, who can know what His natural plan was/is? Technically, His natural design was creating man from earth, and woman from rib. We are fairly far away from that now, lol.

I do not see how cloning is our way of trying to become God. We can make babies anytime we want to anyway, through natural conception, through IVF, through IUI. This is just another way of doing what we are already doing.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Who knows? As said earlier, who can know what His natural plan was/is? Technically, His natural design was creating man from earth, and woman from rib. We are fairly far away from that now, lol.

I do not see how cloning is our way of trying to become God. We can make babies anytime we want to anyway, through natural conception, through IVF, through IUI. This is just another way of doing what we are already doing.

Ummm, well.... the natural plan is plainly stated in the bible.

I understand the making babies and I agree, but we aren't talking about artificial insemination. We are talking about taking the cells of one who has past on and re-creating that person.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by scotty

Ummm, well.... the natural plan is plainly stated in the bible.

I understand the making babies and I agree, but we aren't talking about artificial insemination. We are talking about taking the cells of one who has past on and re-creating that person.

If God didn't want us to try and re-create His work, He shouldn't have made cloning devices in women, lol. He should have just kept with the tried and true dirt/rib method.

We already create humans, via natural and artificial methods. Artificial cloning would just be an extension of that. What's the phrase, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Who knows, He might like it. lol

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by scotty

Ummm, well.... the natural plan is plainly stated in the bible.

I understand the making babies and I agree, but we aren't talking about artificial insemination. We are talking about taking the cells of one who has past on and re-creating that person.

This would be an interesting experiment in what it means to be not only human, but what it means to be "ourselves."

Identical twins are clones, but they are unique individuals. In fact, as time goes on their features often become increasingly distinguished along with their lifestyles.

If we were to clone Leonardo da Vinci today, would "our" da Vinci be guaranteed to be a great artist?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by scotty

Would you agree that it is a break away from His natural design ?

If God was angry with man for building the tower of babel to get closer to Him, would it be too far a stretch to think He would have a problem with man trying to be Him ?

I don't take the Tower of Babel as being an attempt to "be closer to God." It strikes me as more of an attempt to "be like God" and to usurp God's position while also refusing to fulfill His commands ("... lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth" & etc.).

I don't see "cloning" as an attempt by man "to be God." It's a method of reproducing an organism - not creating one.

That being said, I don't think it's always in the organism's best interest to be cloned either. Still, a woolly mammoth would be pretty cool. One foreseeable problem however, is that we don't really know or understand their habitats and ecosystems.

African elephants tear up the forests and open grazing land. That's a good thing, generally. However, with the climate changes over the past million years, the African forests have become a rather fragile thing. The mammoths of North America likely opened up grazing areas in the hard wood forests like their African cousins but that isn't really something we need right now.

Who knows? Maybe pachyderms are "supposed" to be going extinct?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I don't take the Tower of Babel as being an attempt to "be closer to God." It strikes me as more of an attempt to "be like God" and to usurp God's position while also refusing to fulfill His commands ("... lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth" & etc.).

I don't see "cloning" as an attempt by man "to be God." It's a method of reproducing an organism - not creating one.

That being said, I don't think it's always in the organism's best interest to be cloned either. Still, a woolly mammoth would be pretty cool. One foreseeable problem however, is that we don't really know or understand their habitats and ecosystems.

African elephants tear up the forests and open grazing land. That's a good thing, generally. However, with the climate changes over the past million years, the African forests have become a rather fragile thing. The mammoths of North America likely opened up grazing areas in the hard wood forests like their African cousins but that isn't really something we need right now.

Who knows? Maybe pachyderms are "supposed" to be going extinct?

The ecological effect and other problems that might arise with this new species ... including defects ... would be the ethical issue, if any.