Hate Of Reformed Theology

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Yes, God is irresistible, how else would "...every knee bow, and every tonque confess..."?

To see Him is to melt into His presence, He is the fire that refines all evil, and leaves only the pure base metal that came from Him, therefore being pure and holy. "All shall see Him..."

Seriously... I'll deal with UR on a separate thread You have the weight of scripture, and the Story of God to deal with.

But like you, I have great zeal for His electing and calling those to Himself... and his persistence to see it through, working through our ways His own good.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

OK, here's another bone for the discussion bowl...

How is it that you came to have faith in Christ, though the scripture says that our righteounsness is as filthy rags, and the heart of man is deceitful and desperately wicked?

by his grace through the hearing of the word

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Socialite

How so? (And I don't believe in IG -- at least fundamentally the way Calvinism teaches).

I find it terribly difficult to reject God. The fact that we are being approached by the Hound of Heaven, His Spirit calling and working, I find it VERY difficult to reject. Regardless, to the degree which we find it, and however we measure that, I'd think the collision one has with Grace result in one being "wrecked" as we like to say today...

God does more than "give opportunities." That's a minimalist view of what the salvation call is from God.

Our society (and many individuals in our society) reject God continually.

It is not difficult to do.

It's as simple as a choice.


Sure God gives more than opportunities, as I was not trying to minimize anything concerning our God and Savior and His efforts for us to have an honorable relationship with Him.


Still, He gives us the ability to choose.

People choose to reject God every day.


How difficult is it to reject the advances of love from a stranger?

[Acoustic]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Strange? Why would "LOVE" give up, especially on His own highest order of creation?

??

Really? While Jesus was on earth he was fully God and fully man. Apart from being scourged, beaten and nailed to a cross he had all the sins of those who believe in him, put onto him. And he did this with the complete understanding that it was those he was dying for who had put him there.

Now I can shrug it of and say oh he was God of course he could go through all that but that is not really comprehension. What I said was in relation to my own lack of ability comprehend that amount of love.


SDG

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Our society (and many individuals in our society) reject God continually.

It is not difficult to do.

It's as simple as a choice.


Sure God gives more than opportunities, as I was not trying to minimize anything concerning our God and Savior and His efforts for us to have an honorable relationship with Him.


Still, He gives us the ability to choose.

People choose to reject God every day.


How difficult is it to reject the advances of love from a stranger?

The Romans 1 "rejecting of God," which indicts us all, is far different than the Gracious Father himself summoning us with Good News and a pardon.

I agree about the choosing -- though I maintain it's such a small role when viewed in the Story.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Seriously... I'll deal with UR on a separate thread You have the weight of scripture, and the Story of God to deal with.

But like you, I have great zeal for His electing and calling those to Himself... and his persistence to see it through, working through our ways His own good.

Of course, but this thread raises the context of UR.

The story of God is, "...that while we were yet sinners Christ..." The weight of scripture proves that God did not fail in the redemption of His whole creation.

Ninety and nine are not enough, He will pursue until that very last sheep is finally in the fold. Can we deny that He has the Power? The time? The desire? The will? "Will the judge of the earth do justly?" "Is He not the first cause?" Many have turned to annihilation to answer these questions, to make God more "just"? He is not a God of half measures.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Of course, but this thread raises the context of UR.

The story of God is, "...that while we were yet sinners Christ..." The weight of scripture proves that God did not fail in the redemption of His whole creation.

Ninety and nine are not enough, He will pursue until that very last sheep is finally in the fold. Can we deny that He has the Power? The time? The desire? The will? "Will the judge of the earth do justly?" "Is He not the first cause?" Many have turned to annihilation to answer these questions, to make God more "just"? He is not a God of half measures.

Yet, scriptures are quite clear (and abundant) that not all will be saved.

The significance of the Gospel -- and mission of the Church -- is lost in the above context as well.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Acoustic

??

Really? While Jesus was on earth he was fully God and fully man. Apart from being scourged, beaten and nailed to a cross he had all the sins of those who believe in him, put onto him. And he did this with the complete understanding that it was those he was dying for who had put him there.

Now I can shrug it of and say oh he was God of course he could go through all that but that is not really comprehension. What I said was in relation to my own lack of ability comprehend that amount of love.


SDG

I never suggested such a thing.

[Socialite]

Anyone who may be interested, a great sermon that dovetails this topic:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/t...st/id352660924

Listen to #2 -- Is God In Control?

[UnTraditional]

Here is a message by a man named Paul Washer that may shed some light on the discussion...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shxQcczYuAA