Pale horse in Egypt?

[Rose]

Bro Baxter just taught on the four horsemen (Church Channel Mon Night).

Red horse = Communism; Black horse = Capitalism, White horse = Catholicism, and the Pale horse represents the rise of Islam.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Rose

Bro Baxter just taught on the four horsemen (Church Channel Mon Night).

Red horse = Communism; Black horse = Capitalism, White horse = Catholicism, and the Pale horse represents the rise of Islam.

This is the Roman Catholic church???......

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Why would Baxter view the white horse as the Roman Catholic system?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by seekerman

This is the Roman Catholic church???......

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Why would Baxter view the white horse as the Roman Catholic system?

Because it was an 80's fad.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Because it was an 80's fad.

Sorta like the Common Market being the revived Roman empire....until there weren't no Common Market anymore. That was great 70s and 80s stuff.

Baxter is flailing wildly about identifying this and that just like Hal Lindsey did in the 70s and 80s. Find something that folks are scared of and then made it fit into bible prophecy. ...until it doesn't then quickly and quietly change to something else.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Sorta like the Common Market being the revived Roman empire....until there weren't no Common Market anymore. That was great 70s and 80s stuff.

Baxter is flailing wildly about identifying this and that just like Hal Lindsey did in the 70s and 80s. Find something that folks are scared of and then made it fit into bible prophecy. ...until it doesn't then quickly and quietly change to something else.

We spent most of the 80's in the UPC and it truly was a time when no one planned for the future because rapture was "any day now". Everyone knew the Pope that was in office during the event would be the antichrist. The giant computer in Belgium known only as The Beast was going to be used to inventory every man, woman, and child, via The Mark.

Note: The server room at our small private school of just under 400 students ranging from pre-school to senior has more power then The Beast had.

[Answered13]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

We spent most of the 80's in the UPC and it truly was a time when no one planned for the future because rapture was "any day now". Everyone knew the Pope that was in office during the event would be the antichrist. The giant computer in Belgium known only as The Beast was going to be used to inventory every man, woman, and child, via The Mark.

Note: The server room at our small private school of just under 400 students ranging from pre-school to senior has more power then The Beast had.

I was young then and that is ALL that was talked about behind the pulpit. I remember everyone telling me we would not make it to 1993 (that was the year I was to graduate) I would never get married or have kids. I was scared to death and very sad. I remember some night doing homework and thinking....Why bother? I am not going to make it out of high school.
Thankfully I graduated, got a degree, got married, have two sweet children that I homeschool!

[Pressing-On]

Why do they call it a "pale" horse when it's green?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by seekerman

This is the Roman Catholic church???......

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Why would Baxter view the white horse as the Roman Catholic system?

The rider on the white horse in Revelation 6 is crowned with one crown and has a bow but no arrow. Some (including the notes in the Douay Bible) see this as Christ, the Prince of Peace.

The rider on the white horse in Revelation 19 has many crowns and a sword. This is the real Christ coming to earth to conquer. also ref Zehariah chapter 14.

The white horse in Revelation 6 must be a false christ.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Sam

The rider on the white horse in Revelation 6 is crowned with one crown and has a bow but no arrow. Some (including the notes in the Douay Bible) see this as Christ, the Prince of Peace.

The rider on the white horse in Revelation 19 has many crowns and a sword. This is the real Christ coming to earth to conquer. also ref Zehariah chapter 14.

The white horse in Revelation 6 must be a false christ.

I remember when the king of Saudi Arabia gave President Reagan a white Arabian horse back around 1981 or so. Some wise guy at the Associated Press captioned the picture, "Behold a Pale Horse." The next Sunday, both the pastor and another preacher were excitedly pushing this as evidence of the Apocalypse. That was 30 years ago.

A large number of Dispensationalists see the "white horse rider" in Revelation 6, as being Jesus Christ. The argument is that the symbols in Revelation are immutable. That is, the color "white" is seen as "good" and a sign of God or His representatives and thus it can NEVER be "the devil" or his representatives. Marvin Treece popularized this view among UPCers. Baxter takes a different view.

Some would say that there are no arrows in the bow because, "The battle is already won..." His single crown in Revelation 6:2, is a stephanos - a crown given as a prize such as a laurel. The "crowns" in Revelation 19:12, are diadems - the crown(s) of a ruler. In Revelation 6 we see "the Lord" victorious in the Church (they say), followed by the wrath that is to come after the rapture. Revelation 6:2 is the rapture - Christ returning for His "prize" - While Revelation 19:12, is Christ returning with His saints to conquer and rule.

There was a lot of disputing about this in the early 1980s. It bothered me a great deal as a young man to think that "We" couldn't even be certain about the identity of our own Lord.

[mfblume]

If a person compares Rev 6 with Matt 24, the same series of events are foretold in the same sequence as follows:

1) white horse - false Christs
2) red horse - wars
3) black horse - famines
4) pale horse -- saints will be killed
5) Souls under altar wondering how long til avenged -- Jesus said he that endures to end same shall be saved
6) sun turns black and moon to blood - same in Rev 6 and Matt 24
FIG TREE is mentioned in both accounts as well.

Jesus interpreted Rev's horsemen as false Christs, war, famine and death.