Pale horse in Egypt?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by seekerman

This is the Roman Catholic church???......

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Why would Baxter view the white horse as the Roman Catholic system?

Because it was an 80's fad.

[pelathais]

It is difficult to see how John's vision included a "an erect rider atop a horse in Medieval-like barding..."

I can hear John now, "Pants! Pants! In the future men shall wear pants!!! Oh glory!"

The "horse and rider" appear to be a dubbed in double exposure from some Bollywood epic. Or, as some have offered, an inverted reflection on the camera lens.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by seekerman

This is the Roman Catholic church???......

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Why would Baxter view the white horse as the Roman Catholic system?

The rider on the white horse in Revelation 6 is crowned with one crown and has a bow but no arrow. Some (including the notes in the Douay Bible) see this as Christ, the Prince of Peace.

The rider on the white horse in Revelation 19 has many crowns and a sword. This is the real Christ coming to earth to conquer. also ref Zehariah chapter 14.

The white horse in Revelation 6 must be a false christ.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Sam

The rider on the white horse in Revelation 6 is crowned with one crown and has a bow but no arrow. Some (including the notes in the Douay Bible) see this as Christ, the Prince of Peace.

The rider on the white horse in Revelation 19 has many crowns and a sword. This is the real Christ coming to earth to conquer. also ref Zehariah chapter 14.

The white horse in Revelation 6 must be a false christ.

I remember when the king of Saudi Arabia gave President Reagan a white Arabian horse back around 1981 or so. Some wise guy at the Associated Press captioned the picture, "Behold a Pale Horse." The next Sunday, both the pastor and another preacher were excitedly pushing this as evidence of the Apocalypse. That was 30 years ago.

A large number of Dispensationalists see the "white horse rider" in Revelation 6, as being Jesus Christ. The argument is that the symbols in Revelation are immutable. That is, the color "white" is seen as "good" and a sign of God or His representatives and thus it can NEVER be "the devil" or his representatives. Marvin Treece popularized this view among UPCers. Baxter takes a different view.

Some would say that there are no arrows in the bow because, "The battle is already won..." His single crown in Revelation 6:2, is a stephanos - a crown given as a prize such as a laurel. The "crowns" in Revelation 19:12, are diadems - the crown(s) of a ruler. In Revelation 6 we see "the Lord" victorious in the Church (they say), followed by the wrath that is to come after the rapture. Revelation 6:2 is the rapture - Christ returning for His "prize" - While Revelation 19:12, is Christ returning with His saints to conquer and rule.

There was a lot of disputing about this in the early 1980s. It bothered me a great deal as a young man to think that "We" couldn't even be certain about the identity of our own Lord.

[Sam]

Several preachers are saying that the problems in Egypt are fulfilling prophecy in Isaiah chapter 19. Anyone here heard that preached in your church?

[Sam]

I've heard that President Obama has been watching the events in Egypt quite intently.

[InTransition]

According to Rev. chapter 20, when the first resurrection takes place, those who were beheaded for refusing to worship the beast and take his mark (which happens DURING the Tribulation) are included in this particular resurrection. We all know that the dead in Christ rise first (which is the first resurrection) THEN those who are alive and remain will join them in the air. So, the "rapture" cannot take place until after the Tribulation according to Scripture. According to Scripture, there are two resurrections, one for the just which takes place after the Tribulation and then the one for the unjust after the 1000 years. Jesus himself told us that he would send angels to gather the elect (resurrection/rapture) immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days. I know, I know - this is the same ole argument - pre-trib verses post-trib. But there shouldn't be any argument if we will simply allow Scripture to interpret Scripture. I discussed this very topic with a friend on Facebook a few weeks ago and asked her to explain to me how people who didn't die until the tribulation period could possibly be resurrected BEFORE the tribulation ever takes place and I never got an answer. She repeatedly told me that I was in error, but would never attempt to explain this. It seems pretty simple to me. So, in answer to your comment that if the apparition on the Youtube video is in fact the pale horse that someone has missed the rapture - that is not correct. And like another gentlemen on this forum said - I too realize that there are many differing opinions about this subject (timing of rapture). But - they are all men's opinions - there is only one Truth about this and we must go to scripture to find that, not popular books and movies about the subject. I believe that the answer will be known pretty soon. Don't you?

[supertone]

Post Tribulation rapture is what I believe to be the correct interpretation but I won't dismiss the pre-trib arguments. Keep Christ the centre of your life and you won't have to really worry either way about it.

I don't think that the horsemen listed in Revelation were meant to be physical horsemen that we could see on youtube videos either.

[Sam]

There’s an old song called “When the Pale Horse and His Rider Go By” that came to mind when I saw that video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_W19MLHBy4

I found some words for that.
It’s been a long time since I’ve heard it.

Listen poor sinner you're drifting away
From the dear Saviour who's pleading today
What will you do when the Saviour comes nigh
When the pale horse and his rider go by

The time now ain't long when the Saviour will come
Then you'll be judged for the deeds you have done
On that judgment day you'll weep and you'll cry
When the pale horse and his rider go by

When that trumpet sounds on the sinners below
Not even the angels in heaven will know
That’s when you’ll wish you had Jesus nigh
When the pale horse and his rider go by.

Soften your heart and turn from all sin
Jesus is waiting to welcome you in
There's coming a time you'll wish He was nigh
When the pale horse and his rider go by

Won't you redeem you poor wicked soul
You can't pay your way with silver and gold
If you're not saved you'll be lost in the night
When the pale horse and his rider go by

[BroGary]

Interesting, also consider the recent so-called "ufos", which is likely testing of the type of technology that will be used by the Luciferian globalists when they deceive the majority of the world into accepting the Antichrist as the New Age messiah to unite mankind in peace and unity. (Google: "Project Bluebeam")

While Islam, like Catholicism, will play a part in the overall fulfillment of end time prophecy, it will not be the global religion of the Antichrist.

Some people have been deceived into fearing that Islam will take over the world, but such a fear is what the one world globalists want to help them further their plans.

The one world globalists deliberately try to orchestrate conflict between countries and religions so that when the time comes for a global political system and a one world religion that the deceived of the world will welcome it with open arms because they will be so weary of conflict and war.

The globalists have plans (research "Project Bluebeam") to use deception to convince the world that the "New Age" religion is the truth, that christianity and other religions misunderstood things and thus believed as they did over the centuries.

They will deceive the world (at least the majority who don't know better) into believing that Jesus was just - a - "christ", one of the "ascended masters", whose teachings for the "age of Picses" were misunderstood by many, and that the next "christ" (likely "Maitreya") will usher in the "age of Aquarius" and unite the world in an era of peace, safety and unity.

The religions of the world will accept this "New Age" messiah as the fulfillment of the coming messiah for each of their religions and unite under the "New Age" religion.

(of course we know that such a new age "messiah" will be the Antichrist)

Serious research will show that those working towards a Luciferian one world government effectively control both "sides" at the highest levels of power and what you see on the controlled major media is just a show for the deceived general public.

http://www.henrymakow.com/egypt_the_hidden_agenda.html

For an excellent overview of the history of the push towards a "New World Order" click on the link below:

http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-DevilinNWO.htm

Also read:

http://www.henrymakow.com/the_banker_conspiracy.html

and

http://www.texemarrs.com/122010/they.htm

and

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/proje...m25jul05.shtml

and

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...11570371055528

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZYfeYhQ9eU

and

http://deceivedworld.blogspot.com/20...n-part-15.html

and

http://deceivedworld.blogspot.com/20...n-part-13.html

(There is much more info available for those who want to do the research, but that should be a very good start :-)

I know that there will likely be some who will scoff at this stuff, and that is their right to do so if they wish, but for those who realize (or at least suspect that) the major media is controlled by those working towards a one world (antichrist) government, they should recognize that the info on the above links is a clear indication of how the stage is being set for the fulfillment of more last days Bible prophecy.