Christian hostages murdered by Somali Pirates

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Yep, better stop worshipping BIG NAME preachers, those with the best voice, FOOD, who gives the most money, people of success in the finest attire, the politically powerful, and ya know, that lucky fishing pole or certain rifle.

Better get rid of all those hobby magazines, classic cars, antiques, and that house you primp up to look better than all those other neighbors. Don't forget that certain breed of dog that is KING, or that Harley Davidson with ALL of the chrome!

Sorry kids, no more dolls. No more super heroes. And you can just forget it, no more Match Box cars or trophies if you win!

And AFFer’s the AVATAR (Avatar; most often refers to a manifestation or appearance of a Hindu deity) is history! No more bowing to your little deceptive, iconic, picture that leads people to their knees. We’ve had enough people in time worship things like the Sun, Moon, and Stars. Burn every Cross and statue you own. No images, no pictures, nothing which might portray a false image.

And last but not least, the MIRRORS have got to GO!!! Can't be looking at that old sinner, gettin all spoofed up for Church or a night out, you little devil, you!!

All that excuses idolatry?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

All that excuses idolatry?

We covered your idolatry claims in another thread. The one when you said Mother Teresa was headed to hell. Remember?

It's unfounded. N4S pointed out very REAL cases of idolatry instead of the one's where you oppose images being made.

It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues.

People who oppose religious statuary forget about the many passages where the Lord commands the making of statues. For example: "And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18–20).

David gave Solomon the plan "for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan" (1 Chr. 28:18–19). David’s plan for the temple, which the biblical author tells us was "by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all," included statues of angels.

Similarly Ezekiel 41:17–18 describes graven (carved) images in the idealized temple he was shown in a vision, for he writes, "On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim."

Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics also use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of Jesus and other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching children. Catholics also use statues to commemorate certain people and events, much as Protestant churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas. But there’s no idolatry going on in these situations. God forbids the worship of images as gods, but he doesn’t ban the making of images. If he had, religious movies, videos, photographs, paintings, and all similar things would be banned. But, as the case of the bronze serpent shows, God does not even forbid the ritual use of religious images.

It is when people begin to adore a statue as a god that the Lord becomes angry. Thus when people did start to worship the bronze serpent as a snake-god (whom they named "Nehushtan"), the righteous king Hezekiah had it destroyed (2 Kgs. 18:4).

The bottom line is are they worshipping another God, represented or thought to literally be that object? N4S pointed to more practical ways idolatry is rampant today.

So your raining on the thread parade of throwing these guys in hell can, well, go to h... nevermind.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Socialite

We covered your idolatry claims in another thread. The one when you said Mother Teresa was headed to hell. Remember?

It's unfounded. N4S pointed out very REAL cases of idolatry instead of the one's where you oppose images being made.

It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues.



The bottom line is are they worshipping another God, represented or thought to literally be that object? N4S pointed to more practical ways idolatry is rampant today.

So your raining on the thread parade of throwing these guys in hell can, well, go to h... nevermind.

If you don't think bowing to statues/candles praying to mary or saints is not idolatry then I don't what to say. Of course, many things can become idols but praying to anything but God is idolatry.

BTW I wasnt refering I was refering to catholics not these people.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

If you don't think bowing to statues/candles praying to mary or saints is not idolatry then I don't what to say. Of course, many things can become idols but praying to anything but God is idolatry.

BTW I wasnt refering I was refering to catholics not these people.

Weren't the victims catholic?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Weren't the victims catholic?

The only religious reference that I've seen was to the sailboat's captain being a graduate of, and an instructor at Fuller Seminary in California. That, and the thing about Bible give aways.

Fuller is a solidly "evangelical" school.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Weren't the victims catholic?

Not sure, some were implying they were, but I was addressing the point some here think catholics are christians not the victoms on the boat.

It's a shame USA hasn't dealt with the pirtes. I say Navy seals should be on civilian boats posed as regular boaters. A few times of that might help.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Not sure, some were implying they were, but I was addressing the point some here think catholics are christians not the victoms on the boat.

It's a shame USA hasn't dealt with the pirtes. I say Navy seals should be on civilian boats posed as regular boaters. A few times of that might help.

Many of them are more Christian than you Have a nice night.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Many of them are more Christian than you Have a nice night.

You told me.