Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Timmy

OK. But making people perfect or complete wasn't the question. It was about forgiveness. It still looks to me like sins were "truly" forgiven via OT offerings (though I'm not sure the difference between "truly forgiven" and just "forgiven").

Look at it this way. If anything was forgiven before the cross, and the NT states the blood of Christ was required for remission of sins, then they were forgiven on the basis that the cross would occur. Hebrews says remission of sins causes sacrifices to cease to be offered as well as saying making people complete causes cessation. Remission of sins is the question, is it not? Hebrews 10 says where remission of sins is there is no more offering for sin.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Look at it this way. If anything was forgiven before the cross, and the NT states the blood of Christ was required for remission of sins, then they were forgiven on the basis that the cross would occur. Hebrews says remission of sins causes sacrifices to cease to be offered as well as saying making people complete causes cessation. Remission of sins is the question, is it not? Hebrews 10 says where remission of sins is there is no more offering for sin.

So OT sins were only forgiven because of what Christ would do in the future???? Can I add a few more question marks????????? So it was said in the Old Testament they were forgiven, but they weren't actually yet, but people thought they were?? This just gets confusinger and confusinger. Maybe this is where we need time-travel.

Timmy, I think a proper theologian (like myself) would see a difference between sins being "forgiven" and sins being "taken away".

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

So OT sins were only forgiven because of what Christ would do in the future???? Can I add a few more question marks????????? So it was said in the Old Testament they were forgiven, but they weren't actually yet, but people thought they were?? This just gets confusinger and confusinger. Maybe this is where we need time-travel.

Timmy, I think a proper theologian (like myself) would see a difference between sins being "forgiven" and sins being "taken away".

Are you trying to say there was no need for the cross for the OT saints?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Are you trying to say there was no need for the cross for the OT saints?

I'm just asking you....when the people of the Old Testament were told their sins were forgiven, what did that mean to them?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I'm just asking you....when the people of the Old Testament were told their sins were forgiven, what did that mean to them?

I explained this using Hebrews.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I explained this using Hebrews.