The poor in America

[Socialite]

If you believe you are saved by works, you will look down at the poor. If you believe you were a sinner saved by grace (You couldn't help yourself, you couldn't save yourself) you will love the poor.

Oh how related this theology is to all issues.

Those who are with the Messiah, aren't only ministers by words, but also by deeds.

My view of the perspectives in this thread, far surpasses the issues of what is the proper role for government (which is worthy for debate), but more on how poor people are viewed.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Socialite

If you believe you are saved by works, you will look down at the poor. If you believe you were a sinner saved by grace (You couldn't help yourself, you couldn't save yourself) you will love the poor.

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That point has alot to do with how we treat all people as well. Let add how siants treat eaxh too.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

That point has alot to do with how we treat all people as well. Let add how siants treat eaxh too.

So you think I'm being mean to Coadie? You too?

Oh please... the guy has bad-mouthed the poor this entire thread... I've confronted that ugliness. And perhaps have done so imperfectly, but that attitude needs to clearly be confronted. Unfortunately, Coadie speaks for many of you more than his worldly perspective crosses you.

I will consider putting the coadster on ignore going forward.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Socialite

So you think I'm being mean to Coadie? You too?

Oh please... the guy has bad-mouthed the poor this entire thread... I've confronted that ugliness. And perhaps have done so imperfectly, but that attitude needs to clearly be confronted. Unfortunately, Coadie speaks for many of you more than his worldly perspective crosses you.

I will consider putting the coadster on ignore going forward.

No, my comment had nothing to do with you giys but just adding to your comment about how we perceive salvation can determine how we treat others. Kinda like we may have a problem with love because we lack the revelation of Gods great love.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

No, my comment had nothing to do with you giys but just adding to your comment about how we perceive salvation can determine how we treat others. Kinda like we may have a problem with love because we lack the revelation of Gods great love.

We baptized a young man I had in a bible study 3 years ago and baptised him last month. His mom is always broke. She has 3 kids, never been married and all 3 have different dads. We are baptizing granny this month. Some of the family is in and out of jail. One of the cousins is on dope and lost custody of her 4 daughters we take to church. (4 dads)

But I am bad to the bone because They are broke and the gubment can't fix their problems. Only Jesus can.

I have been told I may miss the pearly gates because i don't believe the Gubment can save these folks.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by coadie

We baptized a young man I had in a bible study 3 years ago and baptised him last month. His mom is always broke. She has 3 kids, never been married and all 3 have different dads. We are baptizing granny this month. Some of the family is in and out of jail. One of the cousins is on dope and lost custody of her 4 daughters we take to church. (4 dads)

But I am bad to the bone because They are broke and the gubment can't fix their problems. Only Jesus can.

I have been told I may miss the pearly gates because i don't believe the Gubment can save these folks.

Some will think those who don't believe in GOV programs are unkind or uncaring, just they way it rolls.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Some will think those who don't believe in GOV programs are unkind or uncaring, just they way it rolls.

You're buying into his perceived hogwash too. Amazing!!

You really think because of Coadie's perspective of government role with the poor, that I think he's a sinner?

Give me a break... I'm tired of repeating myself on that issue... wish you guys would read.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Some will think those who don't believe in GOV programs are unkind or uncaring, just they way it rolls.

I was raised on a Mennonite farm, All the Mennonite farming communities were visited by the cannery. We got together, slaughtered beef in the winter, canned it and shipped it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpsrSV3s9aQ

This past year MCC shipped more than 956,000 pounds of turkey, pork and beef for people in 15 countries, including Canada and the United States.

The protein is shipping pre paid and delivered so we know it feeds the intended poor.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Socialite

If you believe you are saved by works, you will look down at the poor. If you believe you were a sinner saved by grace (You couldn't help yourself, you couldn't save yourself) you will love the poor.

Oh how related this theology is to all issues.

Those who are with the Messiah, aren't only ministers by words, but also by deeds.

My view of the perspectives in this thread, far surpasses the issues of what is the proper role for government (which is worthy for debate), but more on how poor people are viewed.

What does that have to do with pushing big Gubment?

Christians don't use the gubment as a religious tool. Christians in a democracy speak against an intrusive and crooked gubment.

Phariseess want strong and authoritative central gubment. Tell people what to do.

Pharisees are so transparent.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by coadie

What does that have to do with pushing big Gubment?

Christians don't use the gubment as a religious tool. Christians in a democracy speak against an intrusive and crooked gubment.

Phariseess want strong and authoritative central gubment. Tell people what to do.

Pharisees are so transparent.

Don't you realize you've made this more about Big Government than anyone else has even suggested?

You've created your own false argument without anyone suggesting otherwise. And BTW, no government intervention and big government intervention are completely different topics.

There are Christians that have differing ways of serving the poor, and yet have differing views of the government's role. You've demonstrated a very negative, and frankly ugly view of the poor. That's the real travesty.