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Old 04-04-2011, 05:40 PM
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Mike, the leg lengthening trick is the oldest slight-of-mind trick in the book. It's absolutely false. Anyone can do it. Allen preyed upon the non-discerning. If he would use that trick to fool his audience what other lies did he tell!

As to his demise, until anyone proves that the autopsy report was false you have no rational reason to believe otherwise.

I believe that God heals I just don't believe He uses a side-show to do it.
If someone genuinely had a leg that needed lengthening, I only wonder what difference one would see to know it was genuine if it was healed.
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Old 04-04-2011, 05:47 PM
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If someone genuinely had a leg that needed lengthening, I only wonder what difference one would see to know it was genuine if it was healed.
Where are all the people who grew limbs? I'm sure some must of come to his meetings. Where are the dead he raised? How is it that there is nothing that is a real incontestable miracle?
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Before reading the following, please keep this in mind: There is no way to confirm (or deny) the accuracy of the following. And, it isn't my intent to attempt to exonerate Bro. Allen. The following is intended for information purposes only....


http://miraclevalleyarchives.org/gpage2.html


To Whom It May Concern,

I, (Name Withheld) graduated from Miracle Valley Bible College in May of 1972. This is my testimony to the death of A. A. Allen. I came to Miracle Valley right after Bro. Allen had died.

I worked as assistant secretary to the secretary, AT, of Miracle Revival Fellowship. This office issued and renewed ministers' license. Our mail was not opened by the mail room. Our mail was separated and sent directly to our office.

One day as I was opening the mail, a check for $10,000.00 fell out of the envelope. This check was from a religious organization and was made out to the person who sent it. I thought that perhaps the check was sent to us by mistake. I read the letter. The letter was from the coroner that examined Bro. Allen. He was asking forgiveness for stating to the media a false accusation. He had stated that Bro. Allen had died of acute alcoholism which caused him to have cirrhosis of the liver. I immediately gave the letter to Sis T, who in turn brought it to Mary Jo, who was on the board of directors.

The board called a meeting and decided that someone from the valley should go and meet with the coroner. Before anyone did, the coroner hung himself. The matter was not pursued because of these circumstances.

We had many ministers of this organization which also held a fellowship license with Miracle Revival Fellowship. This was also a determining factor as to keep peace and fellowship with these innocent ministers who had nothing to do with this. It was felt by the heads of Miracle Revival Fellowship, that Bro. Allen would be remembered as the man of faith and power that he was according to John 3:2c. Bro. Allen's death certificate stated that he died of cardiac arrest. So it seemed the matter was settled.

I am so sorry and do apologize, especially to Bro. Allen's family and all who loved him, that I did not come forth sooner. I talked to James about two years ago and wished that I would have come forth then. I don't know why others did not say anything publicly, or maybe they did, but I do not know. I know it was spoken of privately, because Eunice, (Bro. Allen's sister), had sent me word through a mutual minister friend of ours.

I hope in some way that I have helped someone to understand what really happened. I do pray that Bro. Allen will be remembered as one of God's special people. He has left a tremendous legacy for us to follow. The anointing of God was so strong in his life that demons trembled when in his presence. A life dedicated to God is what brings this kind of anointing.

Sincerely,

(Name Withheld by the Archive Department of Miracle Valley Bible College & Seminary - Miracle Valley, Arizona USA)

[Dr. H T was the City Coroner of San Francisco for decades and was the inspiration for the show Quincy (in the 1950's-70's). Coroner H. W. T. - San Francisco, CA 94103 Born September 24, 1014 and died in February 1972.]
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Wonder why the name was withheld?
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If someone genuinely had a leg that needed lengthening, I only wonder what difference one would see to know it was genuine if it was healed.
Since leg lengthening is one of the big "tricks" of the trade, would God actually perform such a miracle in front of an audience? Wouldn't that be a bit like God giving someone the gift of spoon bending, or even linking 5 stainless steel rings?
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Since leg lengthening is one of the big "tricks" of the trade, would God actually perform such a miracle in front of an audience? Wouldn't that be a bit like God giving someone the gift of spoon bending, or even linking 5 stainless steel rings?
Why? Jesus performed wonders before crowds and so did Paul. God is concerned with helping people. I do not think he is so concerned whether or not it is in front of people. What has steel rings or spoon bending go to do with helping people?
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Why? Jesus performed wonders before crowds and so did Paul. God is concerned with helping people. I do not think he is so concerned whether or not it is in front of people. What has steel rings or spoon bending go to do with helping people?
Because that is the equivalent of leg lengthening. If some feat of legerdemain is a well known crowd pleaser, why would God choose to use THAT as a proof if the miraculous? It would be like God giving one of his "ministers" the gift of sawing a woman in half.
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Because that is the equivalent of leg lengthening. If some feat of legerdemain is a well known crowd pleaser, why would God choose to use THAT as a proof if the miraculous? It would be like God giving one of his "ministers" the gift of sawing a woman in half.
...or maybe like pulling a rabbit out of a hat...right?

Way to go! That's a REAL trick! Helps everyone.

Listen to this testimony:

"I saw Brother Jones pull a rabbit out of a hat and I was cured of diabetes."

NOW THERE'S A REAL FAITH BUILDER! FOR SURE!
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...or maybe like pulling a rabbit out of a hat...right?

Way to go! That's a REAL trick! Helps everyone.

Listen to this testimony:

"I saw Brother Jones pull a rabbit out of a hat and I was cured of diabetes."

NOW THERE'S A REAL FAITH BUILDER! FOR SURE!
Quite a few years ago as an amateur magician, I had a number of 'ringer' tricks. These were my very best illusions which which were thrown in with a dozen normal ones I did. They were the ones that left a spectator with their mouth wide open in amazement and having NO idea how it was done.
I was also accused several times of using REAL magic when performing these ringer tricks because they crossed the comfort zone of what some people thought of as "ok, I don't know how this was done but it could be a trick" to "ok, what I just saw was impossible!".

Lance Burton, the well known Las Vegas magician, doesn't simply pull a rabbit out of a hat. Rather he produced 3 or 4 ducks and a couple of geese from his body in the middle of the stage. I don't know how he did it. I just let myself sit back and enjoy the artistry of it all.
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Quite a few years ago as an amateur magician, I had a number of 'ringer' tricks. These were my very best illusions which which were thrown in with a dozen normal ones I did. They were the ones that left a spectator with their mouth wide open in amazement and having NO idea how it was done.
I was also accused several times of using REAL magic when performing these ringer tricks because they crossed the comfort zone of what some people thought of as "ok, I don't know how this was done but it could be a trick" to "ok, what I just saw was impossible!".

Lance Burton, the well known Las Vegas magician, doesn't simply pull a rabbit out of a hat. Rather he produced 3 or 4 ducks and a couple of geese from his body in the middle of the stage. I don't know how he did it. I just let myself sit back and enjoy the artistry of it all.
So you've been a Christian ever since!

That's nice.
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