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Old 04-04-2011, 10:29 PM
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Re: James Kilgore's Part in the 92 Affirmation Deb

The affirmation is now "signed" every other year by clicking one button on a computer screen. Also, I know of virtually no ministers who agree with everything in the fundamental doctrine and holiness sections of the manual. There are thousands of nonconformists clicking that little button without really considering the consequences.

A few years ago I spoke to my presbyter as well as my District Superintendent and told them I could no longer sign it in good conscience. They both said to sign it anyway because it's understood that no one agrees with everything in the manual.
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The affirmation is now "signed" every other year by clicking one button on a computer screen. Also, I know of virtually no ministers who agree with everything in the fundamental doctrine and holiness sections of the manual. There are thousands of nonconformists clicking that little button without really considering the consequences.

A few years ago I spoke to my presbyter as well as my District Superintendent and told them I could no longer sign it in good conscience. They both said to sign it anyway because it's understood that no one agrees with everything in the manual.
The very reason Im not part of the UPC anymore!!! Lot of good folks still
in it............ Also a lot of Pansies in it also.......... I would like to say
something else.......... But I'll refrain.........
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The affirmation is now "signed" every other year by clicking one button on a computer screen. Also, I know of virtually no ministers who agree with everything in the fundamental doctrine and holiness sections of the manual. There are thousands of nonconformists clicking that little button without really considering the consequences.

A few years ago I spoke to my presbyter as well as my District Superintendent and told them I could no longer sign it in good conscience. They both said to sign it anyway because it's understood that no one agrees with everything in the manual.
For me this is the saddest result of the affirmation statement. It has made liars out of men. The "wink,wink,nod,nod" practice started almost immediately after the affirmation passed and the org. realized what a nightmare it was.

By actively urging preachers to lie by signing something they were not going to uphold this was a terrible chip in the wall of ethics. You keep chipping and eventually there will be no wall.
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For me this is the saddest result of the affirmation statement. It has made liars out of men. The "wink,wink,nod,nod" practice started almost immediately after the affirmation passed and the org. realized what a nightmare it
"made liars" or just gave an opportunity?
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"made liars" or just gave an opportunity?
No need to sugar coat it!!!!!!!!!!! Liars Liars............ If its not the truth,
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...By actively urging preachers to lie by signing something they were not going to uphold this was a terrible chip in the wall of ethics. You keep chipping and eventually there will be no wall.
But wasn't that what the January 18,1993 NAU letter promoted?
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