Donald Trump Calls for Obama Birth Certificate

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Not you too!

Wow. And you didn't watch any of the videos coadie posted long enough to glean their real context?

"Are you surprised? Are you fooled?" (Followed by laughter on the video).

Quit smokin' from coadie's crack pipe you crazy kids!

pelathais, yes me too when it comes to some simple questions that the "head in the sand crowd" won't answer. Forget what canam, coadie or anyone else has said or played.... just simply answer this question, "Why was it okay to question McCain about where he was born and not okay to question Obama?" If you questioned Obama you were a birther. What were those individuals who questioned McCain called?

Again forget everything else. Simply answer this. Why doesn't Obama simply show his long form and be done with it? If he was born in Hawaai and has a long form lay it on the table and shut up all of the so called birthers. If a conserative refused to show papers that would substantiate his legality in running for president all hell would break loose in the main stream media.

Is it wrong to ask for some to be consistent?

Birthers are stupid! Right? Well those who have stuck their head in the sand, refusing to ask for a simple matter to be cleared up, (with the long form that proves or disproves the point), are stupid too!

BT

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

pelathais, yes me too when it comes to some simple questions that the "head in the sand crowd" won't answer. Forget what canam, coadie or anyone else has said or played.... just simply answer this question, "Why was it okay to question McCain about where he was born and not okay to question Obama?" If you questioned Obama you were a birther. What were those individuals who questioned McCain called?

Who said it was "okay" or even "Not okay?" This is a "question" and a "dilemma" that you've conjured up. McCain was born in Panama - BUT! - in the Canal Zone which was under U.S. administration. And, he was born to two U.S. citizens, one of whom was an admiral in the United States Navy. Even if McCain was born in Kenya, he'd still be a "natural born U.S. citizen" based upon these facts.

Was it "okay" to question him on it? People ask all sorts of dopey questions but our Constitution is not based upon those dopey questions. Our Constitution simply allows them. Obama's been asked these questions over and over and he has released his birth certificate.

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Again forget everything else. Simply answer this. Why doesn't Obama simply show his long form and be done with it? If he was born in Hawaai and has a long form lay it on the table and shut up all of the so called birthers. If a conserative refused to show papers that would substantiate his legality in running for president all hell would break loose in the main stream media.

Is it wrong to ask for some to be consistent?

Birthers are stupid! Right? Well those who have stuck their head in the sand, refusing to ask for a simple matter to be cleared up, (with the long form that proves or disproves the point), are stupid too!

BT

There has always been a double standard for Conservatives versus the softball questions that the "dominant media" pitches to their Liberal allies. Just look at Vice President Dan Quayle versus Vice President Joe Biden. Quayle was an educated man who got tripped up a couple of times and was really hammered for it. Biden is just a goof ball who gets a free pass. It ain't fair.

However, these Birther debates don't make anything more fair. They're just silly and lame.

Did McCain produce his "long form?" Did GWB, Clinton, Gore, John effin' Kerry, George Herbert Walker Bush or Dukakis? Did Abraham Lincoln, for that matter? No.

Who knows if Obama even still has the original - AND! - in most cases the county health departments don't keep photocopies of those records either. The info is stored electronically and retrieved and printed out en masse when a request is received for a "Record of Live Birth."

On the matter of Obama wanting to keep some matters close to himself and not spread all over the news - My own father-in-law is of "mixed race." His birth certificate says "mulatto." He kept that hidden away for much of his youth until (as the family story goes) an uncle persuaded him to be proud of who he was. There are some things on the long forms from the Jim Crow era - even in Northern and Western states (my FIL was born in upstate Illinois) - that many people would rather not have to wave around.

Whatever the reasons, the document provided by Obama's campaign is the legal standard for every other American.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Who said it was "okay" or even "Not okay?" This is a "question" and a "dilemma" that you've conjured up. McCain was born in Panama - BUT! - in the Canal Zone which was under U.S. administration. And, he was born to two U.S. citizens, one of whom was an admiral in the United States Navy. Even if McCain was born in Kenya, he'd still be a "natural born U.S. citizen" based upon these facts.

Was it "okay" to question him on it? People ask all sorts of dopey questions but our Constitution is not based upon those dopey questions. Our Constitution simply allows them. Obama's been asked these questions over and over and he has released his birth certificate.



There has always been a double standard for Conservatives versus the softball questions that the "dominant media" pitches to their Liberal allies. Just look at Vice President Dan Quayle versus Vice President Joe Biden. Quayle was an educated man who got tripped up a couple of times and was really hammered for it. Biden is just a goof ball who gets a free pass. It ain't fair.

However, these Birther debates don't make anything more fair. They're just silly and lame.

Did McCain produce his "long form?" Did GWB, Clinton, Gore, John effin' Kerry, George Herbert Walker Bush or Dukakis? Did Abraham Lincoln, for that matter? No.

Who knows if Obama even still has the original - AND! - in most cases the county health departments don't keep photocopies of those records either. The info is stored electronically and retrieved and printed out en masse when a request is received for a "Record of Live Birth."

On the matter of Obama wanting to keep some matters close to himself and not spread all over the news - My own father-in-law is of "mixed race." His birth certificate says "mulatto." He kept that hidden away for much of his youth until (as the family story goes) an uncle persuaded him to be proud of who he was. There are some things on the long forms from the Jim Crow era - even in Northern and Western states (my FIL was born in upstate Illinois) - that many people would rather not have to wave around.

Whatever the reasons, the document provided by Obama's campaign is the legal standard for every other American.

So, let me see if I understand. There might be something on his birth certificate that he doesn't want anyone to see? So, just look over that even tho he doesn't have the guts to say that. Take up for the man! But I still think he owes America an answer. Just a simple answer to why!

Is that asking too much?

BT

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

So, let me see if I understand. There might be something on his birth certificate that he doesn't want anyone to see? So, just look over that even tho he doesn't have the guts to say that. Take up for the man! But I still think he owes America an answer. Just a simple answer to why!

Is that asking too much?

BT

I'm not "taking up for the man." Personally, I want to see him out of office in a landslide come 2012.

As for whether or not he "owes America an answer" on this one - I couldn't care less. I demand some answers on the budget, Libya, and a host of REAL issues but I'll probably not get those answers because the Birthers like Trump & Co. have successfully made the President's critics look sufficiently like clowns that the other side doesn't feel any pressure to answer for anything.

It is still his right to keep his medical records private. We all have that right... ironically, we all have that right unless Obama is successful in taking that right away from us... but still, it's a right that I want everyone to have.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I'm not "taking up for the man." Personally, I want to see him out of office in a landslide come 2012.

As for whether or not he "owes America an answer" on this one - I couldn't care less. I demand some answers on the budget, Libya, and a host of REAL issues but I'll probably not get those answers because the Birthers like Trump & Co. have successfully made the President's critics look sufficiently like clowns that the other side doesn't feel any pressure to answer for anything.

It is still his right to keep his medical records private. We all have that right... ironically, we all have that right unless Obama is successful in taking that right away from us... but still, it's a right that I want everyone to have.

This is the document that I used to get my driver's license when I was 16 (an earlier copy), to get my U.S. Passport and to prove my status as a citizen when I registered to vote and when I was required to show it for employment purposes.

If I was running for President, this is the document that I have to show the Birthers who might question my citizenship. It is a legal document - though I have smeared out the personal info with Photoshop before posting this JPG image. The document itself is THE standard for legal documents even though mine is a bit more wrinkled than Obama's.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

This is the document that I used to get my driver's license when I was 16 (an earlier copy), to get my U.S. Passport and to prove my status as a citizen when I registered to vote and when I was required to show it for employment purposes.

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You seem to think getting a drivers license and proof of being a natural born citizen are the same.

They aren't and you don't understand. One of your crack pipe tangents.

No wonder you can't see what the presenting issues are. You not only seem to be unpatriotic, but this Obama hasn't even been elligilbe to get a top secret security clearance. with the documents he shows. In other words, he couldn't pass investigation and be equal to the secret Service that protects him. If you were patriotic, you would want the constitution to be respected in this matter.

Just take a deep breath and relax.