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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin
pelathais, yes me too when it comes to some simple questions that the "head in the sand crowd" won't answer. Forget what canam, coadie or anyone else has said or played.... just simply answer this question, "Why was it okay to question McCain about where he was born and not okay to question Obama?" If you questioned Obama you were a birther. What were those individuals who questioned McCain called?
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Who said it was "okay" or even "Not okay?" This is a "question" and a "dilemma" that you've conjured up. McCain was born in Panama - BUT! - in the Canal Zone which was under U.S. administration. And, he was born to two U.S. citizens, one of whom was an admiral in the United States Navy. Even if McCain was born in Kenya, he'd still be a "natural born U.S. citizen" based upon these facts.
Was it "okay" to question him on it? People ask all sorts of dopey questions but our Constitution is not based upon those dopey questions. Our Constitution simply allows them. Obama's been asked these questions over and over and he has released his birth certificate.
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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin
Again forget everything else. Simply answer this. Why doesn't Obama simply show his long form and be done with it? If he was born in Hawaai and has a long form lay it on the table and shut up all of the so called birthers. If a conserative refused to show papers that would substantiate his legality in running for president all hell would break loose in the main stream media.
Is it wrong to ask for some to be consistent?
Birthers are stupid! Right? Well those who have stuck their head in the sand, refusing to ask for a simple matter to be cleared up, (with the long form that proves or disproves the point), are stupid too!
BT
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There has always been a double standard for Conservatives versus the softball questions that the "dominant media" pitches to their Liberal allies. Just look at Vice President Dan Quayle versus Vice President Joe Biden. Quayle was an educated man who got tripped up a couple of times and was really hammered for it. Biden is just a goof ball who gets a free pass. It ain't fair.
However, these Birther debates don't make anything more fair. They're just silly and lame.
Did McCain produce his "long form?" Did GWB, Clinton, Gore, John effin' Kerry, George Herbert Walker Bush or Dukakis? Did Abraham Lincoln, for that matter? No.
Who knows if Obama even still has the original - AND! - in most cases the county health departments don't keep photocopies of those records either. The info is stored electronically and retrieved and printed out en masse when a request is received for a "Record of Live Birth."
On the matter of Obama wanting to keep some matters close to himself and not spread all over the news - My own father-in-law is of "mixed race." His birth certificate says "mulatto." He kept that hidden away for much of his youth until (as the family story goes) an uncle persuaded him to be proud of who he was. There are some things on the long forms from the Jim Crow era - even in Northern and Western states (my FIL was born in upstate Illinois) - that many people would rather not have to wave around.
Whatever the reasons, the document provided by Obama's campaign is the legal standard for every other American.
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