We have to Be perfect in order to make heaven

[corvet786c]

Thanks for all the responses, I feel encouraged and its nothing I do, but what Christ already done for me that justifies me. I may sin from time to time as long as I repent and I have an advocate with the father.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

I was simply asking you a question and clickd one of your posts to ask a question. Again do you believe in OSAS? Mike really wants to know. lol I am also confused by your 1) and 2)

I really want to know? I now TGBTG does not believe in osas. What do you mean I want to know?

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I really want to know? I now TGBTG does not believe in osas. What do you mean I want to know?

lol I was joking.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

I was simply asking you a question and clickd one of your posts to ask a question. Again do you believe in OSAS? Mike really wants to know. lol I am also confused by your 1) and 2)

OH and OSAS = ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED which simply means you cannot lose eternal life.

I know what OSAS means.

If Mike wants to know, he would have asked me.

Again, I gave you 2 answers in my previous post. One for OSAS and the other for OSNAS to show that my stance on OSAS should not prevent you from answering the question with regards to Eph 1:13-14 (If you don't wanna answer, that's fine too).

But I don't want the thread to divert to whether I believe OSAS is true or not. All i will say is Heb 6:6-9.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I know what OSAS means.

If Mike wants to know, he would have asked me.

Again, I gave you 2 answers in my previous post. One for OSAS and the other for OSNAS to show that my stance on OSAS should not prevent you from answering the question with regards to Eph 1:13-14 (If you don't wanna answer, that's fine too).

But I don't want the thread to divert to whether I believe OSAS is true or not. All i will say is Heb 6:6-9.

which is why it is confusing because you have OSAS on both 1 and 2. Still rather confusing by the way you used words etc.. but I will say your answer is Yes and by yes I mean option 1? I have no idea what you mean in your answers.

I simply wanted a Yes or no answer we don't have to "divert" the thread.

Instead of saying simply a yes and no you give me scripture. uhh way to draw out a conclusion.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

which is why it is confusing because you have OSAS on both 1 and 2. Still rather confusing by the way you used words etc.. but I will say your answer is Yes and by yes I mean option 1? I have no idea what you mean in your answers.

I simply wanted a Yes or no answer we don't have to "divert" the thread.

Originally Posted by TGBTG

My belief has nothing to do with the question. It's simple. How do you understand Eph 1:13-14?

I could give you 2 options to your question:

1. Yes, OSAS that is Christ saves a person to the uttermost.
2. No OSAS, a person who has been following the Lord can willing choose to reject him by intentionally living a sinful life and not repenting of their sinful ways.

See, neither those options change my question, so how do you see Eph 1:13-14?

Thanks

option 2 is not OSAS

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

option 2 is not OSAS

so you believe both? LOL YES OR NO it is that simple.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

so you believe both? LOL YES OR NO it is that simple.

I am not saying what I believe. What I believe does not change God's word. The question I had was with regards to Eph 1:13-14. If you don't wanna answer, it's fine.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

lol I was joking.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I am not saying what I believe. What I believe does not change God's word. The question I had was with regards to Eph 1:13-14. If you don't wanna answer, it's fine.

If you are sinless per your comment "In God's eyes, I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS" are you always sinless in God's eyes in your life or what are ALL the parameters of this statement?