We have to Be perfect in order to make heaven

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I know what OSAS means.

If Mike wants to know, he would have asked me.

Again, I gave you 2 answers in my previous post. One for OSAS and the other for OSNAS to show that my stance on OSAS should not prevent you from answering the question with regards to Eph 1:13-14 (If you don't wanna answer, that's fine too).

But I don't want the thread to divert to whether I believe OSAS is true or not. All i will say is Heb 6:6-9.

which is why it is confusing because you have OSAS on both 1 and 2. Still rather confusing by the way you used words etc.. but I will say your answer is Yes and by yes I mean option 1? I have no idea what you mean in your answers.

I simply wanted a Yes or no answer we don't have to "divert" the thread.

Instead of saying simply a yes and no you give me scripture. uhh way to draw out a conclusion.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

which is why it is confusing because you have OSAS on both 1 and 2. Still rather confusing by the way you used words etc.. but I will say your answer is Yes and by yes I mean option 1? I have no idea what you mean in your answers.

I simply wanted a Yes or no answer we don't have to "divert" the thread.

Originally Posted by TGBTG

My belief has nothing to do with the question. It's simple. How do you understand Eph 1:13-14?

I could give you 2 options to your question:

1. Yes, OSAS that is Christ saves a person to the uttermost.
2. No OSAS, a person who has been following the Lord can willing choose to reject him by intentionally living a sinful life and not repenting of their sinful ways.

See, neither those options change my question, so how do you see Eph 1:13-14?

Thanks

option 2 is not OSAS

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

option 2 is not OSAS

so you believe both? LOL YES OR NO it is that simple.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

so you believe both? LOL YES OR NO it is that simple.

I am not saying what I believe. What I believe does not change God's word. The question I had was with regards to Eph 1:13-14. If you don't wanna answer, it's fine.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I am not saying what I believe. What I believe does not change God's word. The question I had was with regards to Eph 1:13-14. If you don't wanna answer, it's fine.

If you are sinless per your comment "In God's eyes, I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS" are you always sinless in God's eyes in your life or what are ALL the parameters of this statement?

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

If you are sinless per your comment "In God's eyes, I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS" are you always sinless in God's eyes in your life or what are ALL the parameters of this statement?

Anyone who is not absolutely sinless cannot make it into heaven. If you wanna be absolutely sinless like I am, lemme know, I'll tell ya the secret...

Who can lay charge of sin to me? none can.

Rom 8
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

None can condemn me!

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Anyone who is not absolutely sinless cannot make it into heaven. If you wanna be absolutely sinless like I am, lemme know, I'll tell ya the secret...

Who can lay charge of sin to me? none can.

Rom 8
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

None can condemn me!

OSAS... thanks

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

If you are sinless per your comment "In God's eyes, I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS" are you always sinless in God's eyes in your life or what are ALL the parameters of this statement?

Did Christ already pay the price for all his sins??? Did Christ already stand in for him as his complete propitiation? Was he (the old man) crucified with Christ? Is he reckoned dead to the Law of sin and death? Then yes, God's holiness and justice have been appeased by Christ. Judicially there is no debt owed for tresspasses.

Let's say the IRS sends me a letter saying that I owe $100,000,000,000,000 in taxes. They demand immediate payment or they will sentence me to prison for the rest of my life. And then Jesus walks into that court room, gets up on the stand for all to see, spreads His arms, and writes a check to be applied to my account with them for $100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000....

What do I owe? What would I ever owe? I will faithfully pay my taxes from this day forward. They will send me a refund check for an immeasurable amount. That goes into my bank account. I'll pay my taxes every year from that sum. If one year I fail to pay my taxes and they state that I owe...I have that money in the bank.