We have to Be perfect in order to make heaven

[Michael The Disciple]

Corvete

Someone correct me if I am wrong. I just got done reading Revelation chap 2-3 where Jesus is talking to the churches. Some of these churches had charity, faith and service, seem to be doin all the good things yet Jesus had something against them.

This is a great observation Corvete. As many years as I have been teaching this message I dont think I ever noticed it the way you brought it out. Most Churches would think they were doing fine with Yeshua if they were where the Ephesians were. Yet he was not fully satisfied with them. They were not ready for the kingdom of Heaven.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

This is a great observation Corvete. As many years as I have been teaching this message I dont think I ever noticed it the way you brought it out. Most Churches would think they were doing fine with Yeshua if they were where the Ephesians were. Yet he was not fully satisfied with them. They were not ready for the kingdom of Heaven.

I agree. Michael basically what you have is the called that are not chosen who are the vast minority setting the bar of what is acceptable by creating doctrines that make them acceptable. Which is to

1) change the context of grace
2) negate God's law
3) change what atonement is and how it is realized
4) make the focus of the argument when confronted with the narrow way,to focus on your inability in the flesh or lukewarmness to the Spirit we see in most of the called but not chosen. THen it makes you feel better about your position because.... well all these good people who "follow" God allgedly...they are just like you.
5) which end we see their arguments of OSAS or it's hard to lose salvation which goes directly against many are called few are chosen

[corvet786c]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

This is a great observation Corvete. As many years as I have been teaching this message I dont think I ever noticed it the way you brought it out. Most Churches would think they were doing fine with Yeshua if they were where the Ephesians were. Yet he was not fully satisfied with them. They were not ready for the kingdom of Heaven.

Well I wouldn't say they were not ready for the kingdom as long as they repent Jesus Said. He pointed out the obvious fornication in the church, sacrificing unto idols, and losing there first love. I take it like criticism the door was open for them to repent. Thats it, then he would not put any other burdon on them. This is even with the church who had Charity, service and faith.

[corvet786c]

Look what you guys did to my Post, you made it too long (13 pages), hehehe just kidding.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by corvet786c

Well I wouldn't say they were not ready for the kingdom as long as they repent Jesus Said. He pointed out the obvious fornication in the church, sacrificing unto idols, and losing there first love. I take it like criticism the door was open for them to repent. Thats it, then he would not put any other burdon on them. This is even with the church who had Charity, service and faith.

It was open for them. God speaks to convict us to change us. God will deal with us but it doesn't mean we are right before him. You cannot be at enmity of heart in a few things and consider your self just before God being in right at many. God can consider you just in many things but the few wil get you cast out into a state of death. The Father did not seek the prodigal outside the house. He had to realize his position and TURN. Only then when he turned did the Father recognize him and then declared him after his comments... ALIVE again.