We have to Be perfect in order to make heaven

[Charnock]

So...you do your very best to live up to all of God's commands? You obey every Levitical law, every command of Jesus, and you're generous and giving to a fault?

You dress right? You don't smoke, drink or cuss? You go to church? Tithe?

You exhaust yourself being good, and strive to attain perfection, all with the belief that your effort will please God and enhance your chances of securing eternal life?

But you must know that you still fall short. That your attitude reeks, at times. That you haven't mastered the wickedness of your heart and mind even though you seem to have all of the externals under control.

And when you are confronted with that reality you will say "i'll leave that on the hands of a just and merciful God."

In other words, God is your last hope - after you've exhausted yourself.

That is a sad and miserable way to live. Especially when you are unsure if His grace, mercy and love will be enough in your hour of need.

I believe God is more than my last hope. He is my only hope.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Charnock

So...you do your very best to live up to all of God's commands? You obey every Levitical law, every command of Jesus, and you're generous and giving to a fault?

You dress right? You don't smoke, drink or cuss? You go to church? Tithe?

You exhaust yourself being good, and strive to attain perfection, all with the belief that your effort will please God and enhance your chances of securing eternal life?

But you must know that you still fall short. That your attitude reeks, at times. That you haven't mastered the wickedness of your heart and mind even though you seem to have all of the externals under control.

And when you are confronted with that reality you will say "i'll leave that on the hands of a just and merciful God."

In other words, God is your last hope - after you've exhausted yourself.

That is a sad and miserable way to live. Especially when you are unsure if His grace, mercy and love will be enough in your hour of need.

I believe God is more than my last hope. He is my only hope.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by Charnock

So...you do your very best to live up to all of God's commands? You obey every Levitical law, every command of Jesus, and you're generous and giving to a fault?

You dress right? You don't smoke, drink or cuss? You go to church? Tithe?

You exhaust yourself being good, and strive to attain perfection, all with the belief that your effort will please God and enhance your chances of securing eternal life?

You must know that you still fall short? That your attitude reeks, at times. That you haven't mastered the wickedness of your heart and mind even though you seem to have all of the externals under control.

And when you are confronted with that reality you will say "I'll leave that in the hands of a just and merciful God."

In other words, God is your last hope - after you've exhausted yourself.

That is a sad and miserable way to live. Especially when you are unsure if His grace, mercy and love will be enough in your hour of need.

I believe God is more than my last hope. He is my only hope.

The performance Gospel stole a great many years of my life. It's a horrible substitute for Truth. I can't imagine a better lie being devised by satan.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Charnock

The performance Gospel stole a great many years of my life. It's a horrible substitute for Truth. I can't imagine a better lie being devised by satan.

The performance gospel? You mean doing the will of God?
Doesnt the scripture say he who does the will of God lives forever? Didnt Jesus say why call me Lord and do not the things I say?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The performance gospel? You mean doing the will of God?
Doesnt the scripture say he who does the will of God lives forever? Didnt Jesus say why call me Lord and do not the things I say?

Is the will of God obeying His Law to be saved?

Or...

Is the will of God being conformed into the image of Jesus Christ and doing good deeds through the Spirit of Christ Jesus because you're saved?

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Is the will of God obeying His Law to be saved?

Or...

Is the will of God being conformed into the image of Jesus Christ and doing good deeds through the Spirit of Christ Jesus because you're saved?

and this is why you don't get it and you don't see the issue as hand. For you to bring up the type of argument you just did shows you don't understand what law is overall. Which is why you make distinctions like you do.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

and this is why you don't get it and you don't see the issue as hand. For you to bring up the type of argument you just did shows you don't understand what law is overall. Which is why you make distinctions like you do.

Well that was the "post without any substance" of the day!

[mfblume]

This is why I asked if someone obeyed Acts 2:38 are they ready for glory at that moment in time? If one is not counted faithful and able to enter the kingdom without doing good works for God, then is this Acts 2:38 person not faithful since they had no chance to do anything yet? If we are judged at the great white throne for our works to determine heaven or hell and an Acts 2:38 dude had no works to show of since they just got saved and the rapture occurred, are they not going to heaven? This shows that the works we do for the Lord ARE NOT what determine if we go to heaven or not. BAD unatoned-for works determine hell for us, but nothing but the blood of Jesus allows for us to go to glory.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Well that was the "post without any substance" of the day!

I am simply making a statement from my point of view I don't have time right now to go into lengthy dicussion. My point is to think about why he makes certan distinctions. It had substance as it is pointing to MY OPINION vs his reasoning for making such distinctions the way he does.

Oh and Mike how many views of atonement and justification have you studied outside of your clearly Reformed drenched views? You said you went through a period of study over it. WHO did you study during that time?

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The performance gospel? You mean doing the will of God?
Doesnt the scripture say he who does the will of God lives forever? Didnt Jesus say why call me Lord and do not the things I say?

now michael don't go messing with his forensic justification.