Just a curiosity question....

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by Margies3

I visited my friend this weekend and attended the UPC church that her husband pastors. I have to admit, first of all, that I am very surprised (and frankly, pleased) by the way that things have changed in regards to "standards". There is hope yet. LOL...

Out of curiosity I ask what standards have changed?

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by Theophil

Out of curiosity I ask what standards have changed?

Almost all of the one's our churches used to hold! Very few UPC churches hold to the standards that used to be preached. That's why many of us have become distanced a bit from the mainstream movement.

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Almost all of the one's our churches used to hold! Very few UPC churches hold to the standards that used to be preached. That's why many of us have become distanced a bit from the mainstream movement.

I was looking for specifics. Are you familiar with the specifics? I'm really not interested in any uninformed commentary.

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by Theophil

Out of curiosity I ask what standards have changed?

well, let's see....

even pastors have TV's in their homes now.

many of the ladies, including pastor's wives, are now trimming their hair. Some to shoulder length or shorter. And I was amazed this morning at how many "hair pieces" I saw attached. There used to be a day when that would have been tabboo. I see nothing wrong with it. But it still wouldn't have been allowed 30 years ago.

Many of the ladies are wearing make-up of one sort or another.

I heard a UPC pastor speak in a sermon recently about going to pray with a group of young people from his church before they left to go prom. He said that if he prayed with them before they left, maybe they would "see his face in front of them" all night long and hopefully that would give them some strength to avoid temptation. Personally, I thought that was a GREAT idea!!

Many of the UPC churches that I am acquainted with and know people in are now allowing their saints to go to movie theaters.

I know a whole lot of Apostolic women (yes, UPC) who are now wearing pants and some even shorts, except for during church or on the platform.

Enough??

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by Margies3

well, let's see....

even pastors have TV's in their homes now.

many of the ladies, including pastor's wives, are now trimming their hair. Some to shoulder length or shorter. And I was amazed this morning at how many "hair pieces" I saw attached. There used to be a day when that would have been tabboo. I see nothing wrong with it. But it still wouldn't have been allowed 30 years ago.

Many of the ladies are wearing make-up of one sort or another.

I heard a UPC pastor speak in a sermon recently about going to pray with a group of young people from his church before they left to go prom. He said that if he prayed with them before they left, maybe they would "see his face in front of them" all night long and hopefully that would give them some strength to avoid temptation. Personally, I thought that was a GREAT idea!!

Many of the UPC churches that I am acquainted with and know people in are now allowing their saints to go to movie theaters.

I know a whole lot of Apostolic women (yes, UPC) who are now wearing pants and some even shorts, except for during church or on the platform.

Enough??

Thanks.

[Norman]

I'm not going to be checking to see who is wearing nylons, but my wife still wears them to church.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by Theophil

I was looking for specifics. Are you familiar with the specifics? I'm really not interested in any uninformed commentary.

All that margie listed before me is true.

One biggie is sports. I can say that in the area i am in...i do not know of one UPC church that still preaches against sports or television. Many pastors have televisions in their home (not all by any means). The majority in our district still hold to uncut hair on women and short hair on men (there are a few who don't) . As well as distinction of dress. Most still frown on make up and hair dye. Wedding rings are allowed in almost all UPC churches now...hasn't always been that way. Indeed, the UPCI has seen quite a bit of comprimise in the last few years, but i also have seen some men of God that are being stirred and are once again calling for the Old Paths (in and out of the UPC). God will always have a remnant that preaches the way of holiness and i am convinced that he doesnt care much about an organizational title. He's more concerned with the content of the pulpit.

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

All that margie listed before me is true.

One biggie is sports. I can say that in the area i am in...i do not know of one UPC church that still preaches against sports or television. Many pastors have televisions in their home (not all by any means). The majority in our district still hold to uncut hair on women and short hair on men (there are a few who don't) . As well as distinction of dress. Most still frown on make up and hair dye. Wedding rings are allowed in almost all UPC churches now...hasn't always been that way. Indeed, the UPCI has seen quite a bit of comprimise in the last few years, but i also have seen some men of God that are being stirred and are once again calling for the Old Paths (in and out of the UPC). God will always have a remnant that preaches the way of holiness and i am convinced that he doesnt care much about an organizational title. He's more concerned with the content of the pulpit.

What state do you live in?

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by Theophil

What state do you live in?

WV. My pastor is UPCI but in the last few years we have not been to many of the UPC meetings. We go to several WPF functions. Our church is and always has been independant Apostolic.