My Pastor preached a message today "God Has His Way In The Whirlwind". I had no idea what he would say about this. He showed how that the weather is controlled by God. He said that God is sending disasters against America because of its sins and that this is just the beginning. Thank God for someone who knows the God of the Bible.
He said the same God that so loved the world he gave his only Son is the same God who sends tornados. This is true. In the end time the fear of God will be restored. This is essential that the Church would take God seriously. As it stands many of his people stand with the world against God in things that he does. Our thinking must be turned to know him as he is.
umm your pastor is off his rocker.
and you are to if you believe him
Jesus states something on this very subject out of the gospel of Luke
Luke 13
Repent or Perish
1 Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”
Jesus states here that death and tragedy can come to anyone. and that these people who are in these tragedies are no worse off than anyother people. then he gives the lecture to repent.
sorry michael you preacher is bending the word to make a sermon
Gods not sending storms to punish america cause one man stated they want israel to push back its boarders. These storms have happened over centuries.
and just Like it raines on the just and the unjust tragedy also falls on the just and the unjust.
Jesus states something on this very subject out of the gospel of Luke
Luke 13
Repent or Perish
1 Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”
Jesus states here that death and tragedy can come to anyone. and that these people who are in these tragedies are no worse off than anyother people. then he gives the lecture to repent.
sorry michael you preacher is bending the word to make a sermon
Gods not sending storms to punish america cause one man stated they want israel to push back its boarders. These storms have happened over centuries.
and just Like it raines on the just and the unjust tragedy also falls on the just and the unjust.
You are not understanding Jesus words. He said they were not sinners ABOVE ALL OTHER sinners. God could punish sinners at any time and be just. He warns his hearers to repent or the same could happen to them.
No actually David Huston was not bending the word but used scripture showing "whirlwind" in scripture is the same as the word the Hebrews use today for "tornado".
By the way HE did not make the Israel-Obama point in his message just the point that they are sent by God as acts of warning or judgment.
I wont associate him with the World Net Daily article since hes not aware of this discussion.
You are not understanding Jesus words. He said they were not sinners ABOVE ALL OTHER sinners. God could punish sinners at any time and be just. He warns his hearers to repent or the same could happen to them.
.
o yes i understand what he was saying. i dont think you want to come to grasp with what he was saying.
The disciples of Jesus were looking at these 18 people as being Judged by God, when jesus said that they were just like any sinner in jerusalem.
now to say that God is sending tornados to america for having obama declare israel to go back to there 1967 boarders is dumb.
If God is not a respector of person then why not value the lives of those in the tornados as for those who are in israel?
there sinners just the same. again like i said it raines on the Just and the unjust,
tragedy falls on the just and the unjust. cause if that was the case, why would practically all the apostles been marytred.. why couldnt they die a peaceful death?
why did they have to be beat and tourtured? were they judged? of course not
I don't think God HAS to decide "hmmm., Im gonna wipe Joplin out because of that adultery down there"...God cursed the planet a long long time ago and storms are a by product of that
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Sure God sends judgments as WARNING SHOTS. At times he judges in relatively small ways so he wont have to judge in much LARGER WAYS.
warning shots really?
who is Gods people israel or the church? Did not he turn to the gentiles to provoke the jews to jealousy?
Im not understanding the Logic?
God uses america to help feed and rebuild haiti, japan, and give out billions of dollars each year to foreign aid. Not counting the donations from churches that go to local missions, or persecuted churches abroad.
The medical aid clothes and substance to millions of people each year through the missions efforts of many denominations.
This country is greatly blessed because of God, even the poor are considered rich to third world countries. God has His hands in america, and He is bringing the good out of it for His purpose
I think this is sorta a sick perspective you and your pastor has and im not afraid to say it.
Sure God sends judgments as WARNING SHOTS. At times he judges in relatively small ways so he wont have to judge in much LARGER WAYS.
Then we better all start to duck, who knows when and where the next series of "warning shots" will take place?
Do you know when God will be thru sending them?
And of all the reasons He chooses is because someone who cannot possibly make it happen, wants Israel to go back to 1967 borders.
Doesn't the Word say judgement starts in the house of God?
I'm puzzled why you can't see where this kind of thinking leads? And the kind of damage it does.
The family who lost their two baby boys would be made to carry an un-thinkable burden to learn they paid the price for what Obama said in a speech.
God isn't like that, Michael. I hope you will re-consider this line of thinking and at least, perhaps not spred it elsewhere.
Think of the people whose lives have been turned upside down and are grieving beyond belief. People who have lost everything and have no idea they paid a price for a president's speech.
Pray for that family who lost their two, innocent, darling little boys. They will need help to learn how to breath again.
Then we better all start to duck, who knows when and where the next series of "warning shots" will take place?
Do you know when God will be thru sending them?
And of all the reasons He chooses is because someone who cannot possibly make it happen, wants Israel to go back to 1967 borders.
Doesn't the Word say judgement starts in the house of God?
I'm puzzled why you can't see where this kind of thinking leads? And the kind of damage it does.
The family who lost their two baby boys would be made to carry an un-thinkable burden to learn they paid the price for what Obama said in a speech.
God isn't like that, Michael. I hope you will re-consider this line of thinking and at least, perhaps not spred it elsewhere.
Think of the people whose lives have been turned upside down and are grieving beyond belief. People who have lost everything and have no idea they paid a price for a president's speech.
Pray for that family who lost their two, innocent, darling little boys. They will need help to learn how to breath again.
Sandie,
Im afraid the teaching of the past generation has completely removed the fear of God. Something which is very much present in the Bible. Please understand. Its not this way because I want it to be this way. And yet we as the Bride of Christ in this end time are going to have to come into agreement with God concerning his judgements.
We have a different idea about the wicked than God does. We think like if people are living in their own house and they are not out drinking, fornicating, stealing from others, ect they are nice innocent people.
God does not see like we see. To him if we are not for him, doing his will, we are against him. He sees multitudes of people who we might consider good people as being his enemies.
Take America for instance. Thousands of babies are murdered in their mothers womb here every day. People DO the sins I mentioned here on a daily basis. Then there are those who are not ACTIVELY commiting the outward sins scripture condemns. Yet millions of Americans sit in front of their TVS every night and take pleasure in others that are doing them.
Yet we think of people by and large as being good and decent people. Yet God is angry with all such people. He is requiring Earthlings to turn from all sin and serve him. Until they do he is angry with the wicked every day.
People dont understand that we are entering into the end times. It will be dangerous and very hard times. What we are seeing now is just the beginning. It will get much, much worse. We will look back at 2011 as "the good ole days".
As I said the judgements of today are warnings of greater judgements to come.
Last edited by Michael The Disciple; 05-29-2011 at 07:14 PM.
Hybrid Mode
