How Does The Unbeliever Perish ?

[GISG]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Thats what I believe. Death means death. It is the opposite of life. None of us have immortality unless Jesus grants it to us.


Note that important truth:

2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: Rom. 2:6-7

Thanks for answering.

[seekerman]

Adam, the unbeliever, died the day he ate of the tree...

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Adam, the unbeliever, died the day he ate of the tree...

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

No he didn't. He died hundreds of years later.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Timmy

No he didn't. He died hundreds of years later.

Depends on what death he died.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Depends on what death he died.

????? what do you mean? what death?

God delayed His judgment on adam and eve so grace and mercy could have a chance.

Spiritually he no longer had a relationship with God that he used to have. Not in the same manner, but He still did have a relationship with God just different than before.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by acerrak

????? what do you mean? what death?

God delayed His judgment on adam and eve so grace and mercy could have a chance.

Spiritually he no longer had a relationship with God that he used to have. Not in the same manner, but He still did have a relationship with God just different than before.

The bible plainly states that God said the *DAY* adam ate of the tree he would die. Not BEGIN to die, not die several decades later, but that DAY he would die.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by seekerman

The bible plainly states that God said the *DAY* adam ate of the tree he would die. Not BEGIN to die, not die several decades later, but that DAY he would die.

my bible stated adam lived to be like 900 years old contridiction ? or did God with hold his judgment of adams sin

maybe we could use the day is like a 1000 years to God and 1000 years Like One day.

adam almost made it to a complete day if we went that route..


but honestly adam went from basically being immortal to a dying state. Once he ate the fruit he lost his immortality and slowly started dying.
ok lets look at other translations since im not a kjv onlyiest

niv
17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

New Living Translation (NLT)

17 except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die

some leave the day out, but all state the same because of this act you are going to die. and he did like 900 years later

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by acerrak

my bible stated adam lived to be like 900 years old contridiction ? or did God with hold his judgment of adams sin

No, God did not withhold judgment of adam's sin. He was expelled from the garden very soon after eating of the tree.

maybe we could use the day is like a 1000 years to God and 1000 years Like One day.

That verse is sure a favorite when it's needed to explain away certain time elements in the bible. It's one of the main excuse scriptures.

No, the 'thousand years - day' passage has absolutely nothing to do with adam dying the very day he ate of the fruit. In fact, he lived to suffer the consequences for several centuries after that unfortunate event.

adam almost made it to a complete day if we went that route..

Huh?

but honestly adam went from basically being immortal to a dying state. Once he ate the fruit he lost his immortality and slowly started dying.
ok lets look at other translations since im not a kjv onlyiest

I agree.

niv
17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

New Living Translation (NLT)

17 except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die

some leave the day out, but all state the same because of this act you are going to die. and he did like 900 years later

Depends on which dead we're talking about.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by seekerman

No, God did not withhold judgment of adam's sin. He was expelled from the garden very soon after eating of the tree.



That verse is sure a favorite when it's needed to explain away certain time elements in the bible. It's one of the main excuse scriptures.

No, the 'thousand years - day' passage has absolutely nothing to do with adam dying the very day he ate of the fruit. In fact, he lived to suffer the consequences for several centuries after that unfortunate event.



Huh?



I agree.



Depends on which dead we're talking about.

lol kicking him out of the garden didnt kill him...................

and i was kidding about the thousand year mark. it was a inside Joke, maybe you will get it later. adam almost lived a 1000 years which he didnt actually live a complete day God time, (close though)


and yes i know He lived i put that in bold and attalics and under lined that part in your post

[Sam]

Or did Adam die spiritually that day?

Ephesians 2 says that we were dead in trespasses and sins but that God has quickened us or made us alive.