Are Infants Really Born Sinless?

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yep, you believe we receive Christ's righteousness by being righteous (Works). A performance based salvation that mocks the cross and the redemptive plan of God. Legalism at it's finest. Religion. Dead where it stands.

I believe that we receive Christ's righteousness by faith. And it is that imputed righteousness, our partaking of that divine nature, that brings obedience. Because we are changed, new creatures. It is now in our very spiritual nature to obey. A fish can't help but swim. A son of God can't help but be righteous. It's a change of nature.

This also show you like limiting what is said to what you want me to say and not bringing the whole into view. Typical of you.

Aquila can you go from saved to lost and I am not talking about from a foreknowledge point of view but a practical positonal view in sequential time.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

This also show you like limiting what is said to what you want me to say and not bringing the whole into view. Typical of you.

Aquila can you go from saved to lost and I am not talking about from a foreknowledge point of view but a practical positonal view in sequential time.

Are you asking me if one can go from saved to lost without regarding the divine perspective of God Himself??? lol

Salvation without God. Typical of legalism.

You can't divorce these concepts from one another. God already knew long before time began who would answer the divine call and be saved. The outcome was ordained of God, and set in stone. Those who are "saved" (have tasted of the heavenly gift) and then fall away were never destined to be saved to begin with. Their choice didn't alter God's plan for them. It was predetermined. Their falling away only manifests the reality of what they truly are for all to see that God might be justified in His judgment.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Are you asking me if one can go from saved to lost without regarding the divine perspective of God Himself??? lol

Salvation without God. Typical.

You can't divorce these concepts from one another. God already knew long before time began who would answer the divine call and be saved. The outcome was ordained of God, and set in stone. Those who are "saved" (have tasted of the heavenly gift) and then fall away were never destined to be saved to begin with. Their choice didn't alter God's plan for them. It was predetermined. Their falling away only manifests the reality of what they truly are for all to see that God might be justified in His judgment.

lol... way to ignore the question. so man has no free will. God does not judge a man lost at one point IN time after being saved.

Also the "bold" area is also a absolute lie. congrats!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

lol... way to ignore the question. so man has no free will. God does not judge a man lost at one point IN time after being saved.

Also the "bold" area is also a absolute lie. congrats!

It may become "official" or what might be best termed as "manifest". But had you asked of that person will be saved when they were first "tasting the heavenly gift" and attending church gatherings... God wouldn't say, "Well, I sure hope so. He has choices to make. We'll see." lol

Ever occurred to you that nothing has ever just "occurred" to God? ROFL!

God would look at you with saddened eyes and say, "I know what will be. It will be manifest what they truly are and have always been my child."

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It may become "official" or what might be best termed as "manifest". But had you asked of that person will be saved when they were first "tasting the heavenly gift" and attending church gatherings... God wouldn't say, "Well, I sure hope so. He has choices to make. We'll see." lol

Ever occurred to you that nothing has ever just "occurred" to God? ROFL!

God would look at you with saddened eyes and say, "I know what will be. It will be manifest what they truly are and have always been my child."

typical you are playing with one sided aspects just like Reformed teachers not realizing God reacts in justice time regardless of foreknowledge.

Again I ask does man lose his position in time before God as saved?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

typical you are playing with one sided aspects just like Reformed teachers not realizing God reacts in justice time regardless of foreknowledge.

Again I ask does man lose his position in time before God as saved?

A man is what he is. Trials and temptations are not designed to reveal to God what one is that God might be judged. Trials and temptations come to reveal to us, and to all of creation, what we are.

The names of the redeemed were in the Lamb's book of life before God said, "Let there be light."

And if you studied Arminianism... notice the focus is on God's foreknowledge... not soveriegn choice (Reformed).

Learn your systematic theology.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

A man is what he is. Trials and temptations are not designed to reveal to God what one is that God might be judged. Trials and temptations come to reveal to us, and to all of creation, what we are.

yes it does reveal the level of current faith. Does not mean your faith is always the same or you don't grow or lose faith.

The names of the redeemed were in the Lamb's book of life before God said, "Let there be light."

typical... People names are taken in and out as a matter of justice IN TIME. Whether God knows the end or not does not negate justice IN TIME! HELLO!

And if you studied Arminianism... notice the focus is on God's foreknowledge... not soveriegn choice (Reformed).

I am not arminian.

Learn your systematic theology.

I know the difference all to well.