Tithing, Mandate for the New Testament Church?

[corvet786c]

Originally Posted by bishoph

Jesus rebuked the scribes and pharisees while noting that they paid tithes yet they had ignored the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith. He then told them "these (the judgment, mercy, and faith) you should have done and not left the other (paying tithes) undone. (Matt. 23:23)

He also said that except your righteousness exceed that of the pharisees you will in no way enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matt. 5:20) While many say there is no directive/commandment in the NT for a believer to pay a set amount of tithe, the principle is still there and if anything we are encouraged to give more than 10% for he that sows sparingly will reap sparingly, but he that sows bountifully shall reap bountifully. JMHO

Where do you get this thing of tithing from. The reason Jesus told the Pharissees to tithe not on money but mint, and anise(Herbs) cause they at the time were sitting in Moses Seat and were under the LAW and were required to do so. Jesus was not talking to the church. The church started in the book of Acts.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by corvet786c

Where do you get this thing of tithing from. The reason Jesus told the Pharissees to tithe not on money but mint, and anise(Herbs) cause they at the time were sitting in Moses Seat and were under the LAW and were required to do so. Jesus was not talking to the church. The church started in the book of Acts.

really?

the word Ekklesia means gathering, assembly. ones who are called out.

some scources say

The word “church” was placed in the English Scriptures by an Edict of King James, who instructed his translators of the 1611 text to replace the original word “Ekklesia,” with the word “church.”


my point is There was already a assembly of saints for the Lord throughout the Gospels,before acts or one today could say church. The apostles and disciples of christ. The ones called out.

Acts documents the growth of the Body of Christ. The foundations of it already had been laid in the Gospels

[seekerman]

Tithing was established long before the Mosaic law.....

Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Tithing was established long before the Mosaic law.....

Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

sounds like he gave a tenth only once for melchisedec, however the holy nation of israel was to tithe ten percent and give to the levites, cause they had no inheritance.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by acerrak

sounds like he gave a tenth only once for melchisedec, however the holy nation of israel was to tithe ten percent and give to the levites, cause they had no inheritance.

I don't think it was the first time Abraham tithed to Melchizedek. The story suggests, to me at least, that Abraham had an ongoing relationship, including tithing, with Melchizedek. Abraham's actions and the amount of giving (a tenth) wasn't a sudden random decision by Abraham. He'd done it all before, IMO.

[DaveC519]

Originally Posted by acerrak

sounds like he gave a tenth only once for melchisedec, however the holy nation of israel was to tithe ten percent and give to the levites, cause they had no inheritance.

Greetings,

I think it's important to note vs. 9, though, because it was not simply Abraham who paid tithes to Melchisedec, but Levi as well. And, by extension, the Levitical priesthood (vs. 5).

The focus of the passage in Heb 7 is not then upon Abraham, or Levi and the priesthood, but on Melchisedec himself, and how he was worthy to receive tithes of Abraham. The implication, then, is that because Jesus is a priest forever after the order of Melchisedec, Jesus also is worthy to receive tithes of men, much more so than the Levitical priesthood was, because the Melchisedec priesthood is better (vs. 11), which necessitated a change also in the Law (vs. 12).

The Levitical priesthood is passed away and replaced by a better one. Therefore, the Levitical tithing system has also been replaced by a better one. The Melchisedec priesthood has a high priest who is more worthy to receive tithes of men than what the Levitical high priest was.

[Sherri]

We've gone around and around on this issue on here for years. No one is going to change their mind. If you believe it's valid, then you will continue to tithe. If you don't believe it's biblical, then you will continue NOT to tithe.

As for me and my house.........no one could convince me not to tithe. I've seen the principles work for 33 years of marriage. I just heard a testimony from someone this morning that started tithing about six months ago, because the Lord was speaking to them as a couple. The miracles that have happened in their finances since then have been just supernatural. They are definitely believers now.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Sherri

We've gone around and around on this issue on here for years. No one is going to change their mind. If you believe it's valid, then you will continue to tithe. If you don't believe it's biblical, then you will continue NOT to tithe.

As for me and my house.........no one could convince me not to tithe. I've seen the principles work for 33 years of marriage. I just heard a testimony from someone this morning that started tithing about six months ago, because the Lord was speaking to them as a couple. The miracles that have happened in their finances since then have been just supernatural. They are definitely believers now.

it really comes about by being cheerful givers. imho

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Sherri

We've gone around and around on this issue on here for years. No one is going to change their mind. If you believe it's valid, then you will continue to tithe. If you don't believe it's biblical, then you will continue NOT to tithe.

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Well yes sort of... though I am not sure it effects the actual amounts people give. I think it needs to be said that some who do NOT "believe in tithing" are big givers nevertheless. In fact, I have often wondered if those who churches teach a mandatory ten percent receive more or less than those who do not.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Sherri

We've gone around and around on this issue on here for years. No one is going to change their mind. If you believe it's valid, then you will continue to tithe. If you don't believe it's biblical, then you will continue NOT to tithe.

As for me and my house.........no one could convince me not to tithe. I've seen the principles work for 33 years of marriage. I just heard a testimony from someone this morning that started tithing about six months ago, because the Lord was speaking to them as a couple. The miracles that have happened in their finances since then have been just supernatural. They are definitely believers now.

I was staying out of this thread, but these types of posts cause me to jump in.

This defense is totally defenseless.

Big deal. I stopped tithing, started giving as I was able to, gave to people in need at times, other times to the church. My income has doubled in the last 5 years, and quadrupled in the last decade.

A man I knew paid tithes faithfully to Kenneth Copelands church (in my area) never missed a service or conference, and wouldn't think of not tithing. He paid his tithes over his mortage, and lost his families home. His paid his tithes over taking care of his vehicle, and it broke down and left him jobless. He ended up living in someones back yard in an old travel trailer 5th wheel, with a family of 4.

MY BIL pays "tithes" he lost his job, and ended up getting a call back and a promotion.

God honors giving, which can include "tithing" but does not include it of necessity. However tithing under pressure, compulsion, or outright bad doctrine can do serious damage to ones life. I've seen the blessing, and I've seen people taken advantage of.

I don't have a problem with blessed people, I suppose I'm so outspoken about this because of the people I've seen abused by it. How dare someone ANYONE tell a struggling soul on welfare, or social securtiy, or working a minimum wage part time job trying to support a that God requires them to give 10% of their income. Do not add to the Word of God. And if you have poor people in your church and your telling them that, you are abusing them. Yes I said it.