Miracle at Impact Conference

[deltaguitar]

I have heard about this. I was at a rangers game last night with some old friends from my UPC church. Her sister was there and witnessed the whole thing.

I wonder why God would let him die just to heal him. Hmmm, . . .

I also heard he said before he died or passed out, that God told him, "if you convince them, I will confirm it".

I used to like Jeff Arnold when I was UPC because he seem to take the UPC to task for a lot of stuff that was true.

I don't think he really died though. Sometimes people want a miracle so bad to validate their beliefs that they will believe anything. I am not saying he isn't sincere but there is a lot of emotionalism and frenzy that happens and people can get caught up in it.

[Orthodoxy]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I have heard about this. I was at a rangers game last night with some old friends from my UPC church. Her sister was there and witnessed the whole thing.

I wonder why God would let him die just to heal him. Hmmm, . . .

I also heard he said before he died or passed out, that God told him, "if you convince them, I will confirm it".

I used to like Jeff Arnold when I was UPC because he seem to take the UPC to task for a lot of stuff that was true.

I don't think he really died though. Sometimes people want a miracle so bad to validate their beliefs that they will believe anything. I am not saying he isn't sincere but there is a lot of emotionalism and frenzy that happens and people can get caught up in it.

Delta, I agree that we need to be very careful not to believe everything we hear. But I also don't think we should go the other extreme and immediately discount every miracle we hear about.

God could have allowed Bro. Arnold to die, so that he would be healed, and then God would get the glory. Although the UPCI may not have all their doctrine right, God is still pleased to perform miracles in their midst. It seems that those who see the most miracles are those who are the most hungry for miracles.

[Jason B]

Great point Hoovie.

Did "Meat Loaf" likewise die and come back to life?

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Another one!!

I Won't Do That! Meat Loaf refuses to quit show after collapsing on stage

"It seemed heavyweight rocker Meat Loaf would definitely be gone, gone, gone after he fainted on stage last night.
Thousands of terrified fans saw the 63-year-old Bat Out of Hell singer collapse in the middle of his no 1 hit I Would Do Anything For Love (But I Won’t Do That), with many fearing he had suffered a heart attack.
But the veteran singer clearly believed Heaven Can Wait, as he dusted himself off and finished the show despite lying unconscious on the floor for ten minutes surrounded by aides."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...#ixzz1Ted480ct

I find this whole thing to get more and more blown out of proportion. In the link Renda posted Jeff Arnold claimed there were 109 "miracles" that happened right after that, and that "EVERY" deaf ear in the house was unstopped.

I believe in miracles. I have an 10 year old child who God miraculously healed in 2004 of crippling JRA, a testimony I have shared several times on AFF, and to which there are living witnesses, as well as documented medical records.

Anyway, *IF* there were 109 documented miracles ONE-HUNDRED-AND-NINE! Including a dead man coming back to life, and several deaf people instantly healed, it would be all over the national news.

I think this is more about Jeff Arnold than about God, and I think this is more pentecostal folk lore than unadulterated fact. Maybe I'm wrong....

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Great point Hoovie.

Did "Meat Loaf" likewise die and come back to life?



I find this whole thing to get more and more blown out of proportion. In the link Renda posted Jeff Arnold claimed there were 109 "miracles" that happened right after that, and that "EVERY" deaf ear in the house was unstopped.

I believe in miracles. I have an 10 year old child who God miraculously healed in 2004 of crippling JRA, a testimony I have shared several times on AFF, and to which there are living witnesses, as well as documented medical records.

Anyway, *IF* there were 109 documented miracles ONE-HUNDRED-AND-NINE! Including a dead man coming back to life, and several deaf people instantly healed, it would be all over the national news.

I think this is more about Jeff Arnold than about God, and I think this is more pentecostal folk lore than unadulterated fact. Maybe I'm wrong....

Please substantiate your claim that it would be all over national news. National news would have to hear about it first, have to investigate it second, have to believe it third, before even reporting.

I don't see that as a valid argument...that if the secular media does not report, well it must not be true. Are you serious?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Please substantiate your claim that it would be all over national news. National news would have to hear about it first, have to investigate it second, have to believe it third, before even reporting.

I don't see that as a valid argument...that if the secular media does not report, well it must not be true. Are you serious?

Sex and violence
The media needs a bank exec molesting a maid. That is newsworthy.

[PreacherV]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I think this is more about Jeff Arnold than about God, and I think this is more pentecostal folk lore than unadulterated fact. Maybe I'm wrong....

yeah...you're wrong

[jstump]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I wonder why God would let him die just to heal him. Hmmm, . . .

John 12:10-11 says, "But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death; Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus."

Jesus purposely allowed Lazarus to die just so he could raise him from the dead and bring people to belief. Even then the skeptics just discounted the whole event and even sought to discredit and destroy those involved in the miracle.