Miracle at Impact Conference

[coadie]

Originally Posted by chucksangel

Well love him or hate him, Jeff Arnold is a man of faith. I was a new convert and apparently the UPC folks were scared to lay hands on me during the altar call for healing. Bro Arnold called me up and prayed for me personally and the Lord healed my whiplash instantly. That was about four years ago. I have been healed of many things (hypoglycemia, chronic fatigue syndrome and chronic stomach aches to name a few) so he is not the only one God uses. He is the real deal and I find most Christians claim the Lord heals but they don't believe it for themselves.

Healing is the real deal
Signs and wonders are the real deal

Bro Arnold has the gift of healing.
I also do not want to ever discount miracle healing.

[Jason B]

Great point Hoovie.

Did "Meat Loaf" likewise die and come back to life?

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Another one!!

I Won't Do That! Meat Loaf refuses to quit show after collapsing on stage

"It seemed heavyweight rocker Meat Loaf would definitely be gone, gone, gone after he fainted on stage last night.
Thousands of terrified fans saw the 63-year-old Bat Out of Hell singer collapse in the middle of his no 1 hit I Would Do Anything For Love (But I Won’t Do That), with many fearing he had suffered a heart attack.
But the veteran singer clearly believed Heaven Can Wait, as he dusted himself off and finished the show despite lying unconscious on the floor for ten minutes surrounded by aides."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...#ixzz1Ted480ct

I find this whole thing to get more and more blown out of proportion. In the link Renda posted Jeff Arnold claimed there were 109 "miracles" that happened right after that, and that "EVERY" deaf ear in the house was unstopped.

I believe in miracles. I have an 10 year old child who God miraculously healed in 2004 of crippling JRA, a testimony I have shared several times on AFF, and to which there are living witnesses, as well as documented medical records.

Anyway, *IF* there were 109 documented miracles ONE-HUNDRED-AND-NINE! Including a dead man coming back to life, and several deaf people instantly healed, it would be all over the national news.

I think this is more about Jeff Arnold than about God, and I think this is more pentecostal folk lore than unadulterated fact. Maybe I'm wrong....

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by coadie

I can give a short list of signs and questions.

If they flat line, cardio flatline and / or no brain waves they are gone.

in surgery, when they are being put to sleep, all the covers come off. (That is the reason the gown is front only it is removed)
You can look for the tiniest movement on the chest and abdomin for breathing.

In surgery no one wears nail polish. we can place a tiny pressure for a moment on the nail and watch color return. another is pupil dilation. a quick and easy test. A doc or trained tech sees several cues which the audience doesn't see them recognize. At the end of the audio there is reference to do cpr?. If he was "out" his not remembering what they did is explained by "short term memory ablation". And I can offer more. If they are working on him and he IS NOT dead, do you think he would keep his eyes closed?
Again if Bro Arnold wants to talk about this, that part where he was gone, he will not have memory restored. Like I said, short term memory ablation.

I could go on and on. One last little test. Just with a finger tip, a tiny brush of the eye lashes gives a reflex response. You don't have to carry and use a stethoscope to rule no heat beat.

The bad news is preaching is intense. If he went out, he would have hypoxia more quickly than if he was just sitting in a chair. He would have to have been brought back more quickly or have brain damage except for a miracle of God.

I haven't heard a clue in this story that makes me the least suspicious.

On the psych side, Bro Arnold is mean and I don't say that in a derogatory way but in a Jersey personality way. He is driven. He is aggressive. I conclude he is not a profile that would just "faint". If we pray that God give him another 15 years, God will. Then when his time comes it would still be a good idea to check his casket a few times to make sure. He is a driven personality.

Odd that he had a sermon line about God and being available for a miracle.

God spared him, I don't doubt that and thank God for it. Not for a minute do I think this was "staged".

The only part of the story still unclear is whether uninterrupted CPR was administered. In the moments following the event it would be nearly impossible to determine whether a shockable heart rhythm was present without a defibrillator or heart monitor.

Therefore, if the patient is not breathing and has no pulse it's imperative uninterrupted CPR is administered until a defibrillator is on scene. I think this would be standard operating procedure for EMS Technicians in the US. I understand medical personnel witnessed the event.

Regardless, I am thankful God saw fit to add life to Bro Arnold!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Great point Hoovie.

Did "Meat Loaf" likewise die and come back to life?



I find this whole thing to get more and more blown out of proportion. In the link Renda posted Jeff Arnold claimed there were 109 "miracles" that happened right after that, and that "EVERY" deaf ear in the house was unstopped.

I believe in miracles. I have an 10 year old child who God miraculously healed in 2004 of crippling JRA, a testimony I have shared several times on AFF, and to which there are living witnesses, as well as documented medical records.

Anyway, *IF* there were 109 documented miracles ONE-HUNDRED-AND-NINE! Including a dead man coming back to life, and several deaf people instantly healed, it would be all over the national news.

I think this is more about Jeff Arnold than about God, and I think this is more pentecostal folk lore than unadulterated fact. Maybe I'm wrong....

Please substantiate your claim that it would be all over national news. National news would have to hear about it first, have to investigate it second, have to believe it third, before even reporting.

I don't see that as a valid argument...that if the secular media does not report, well it must not be true. Are you serious?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Yeah, that sticks out to me, bu perhaps what sticks out more is that in the video JA says he was not aware of anything. My understanding of what the Bible teaches about death is that we have a real sense of conscienceness. Without endorsing the stories of those who claim to have died (such as auto accident or hospital room), many claim to have seen their body laying there. For JA to say he was not aware of anything whatsoever, it seems to me he simply passed out.

It really depends on the definition of death. This was not a case of clinical death by any means. But that does not mean his heart did not stop for a period of time

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Still no mention of CPR - - wouldn't that be what the doctor would do???

Immediately after finding no pulse, yep.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I80fQ...=youtube_gdata

I wish they would include Closed Captioning of these miraculous testimonies for the hearing impaired.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Please substantiate your claim that it would be all over national news. National news would have to hear about it first, have to investigate it second, have to believe it third, before even reporting.

I don't see that as a valid argument...that if the secular media does not report, well it must not be true. Are you serious?

Sex and violence
The media needs a bank exec molesting a maid. That is newsworthy.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

God spared him, I don't doubt that and thank God for it. Not for a minute do I think this was "staged".

The only part of the story still unclear is whether uninterrupted CPR was administered. In the moments following the event it would be nearly impossible to determine whether a shockable heart rhythm was present without a defibrillator or heart monitor.

Therefore, if the patient is not breathing and has no pulse it's imperative uninterrupted CPR is administered until a defibrillator is on scene. I think this would be standard operating procedure for EMS Technicians in the US. I understand medical personnel witnessed the event.

Regardless, I am thankful God saw fit to add life to Bro Arnold!

I agree!

Also, what was the purpose of taking his shoes and socks off? To see the color of his feet?

[Sister Alvear]

just glad he is alive...