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07-29-2011, 05:52 PM
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Re: Miracle at Impact Conference
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Although, I only got to see the preaching on the internet, several people in my church were there and I have family in that church. Four nurses and an Iraq war veteran experienced with death couldn't find his pulse. He was gray as ash. He was unconscious and unresponsive. He wasn't breathing. They didn't say he was dead as far as I know, but it certainly appeared that way. After several minutes of apparent lifelessness, Bro. Arnold sat up and then got up worshipping. Other miracles were a testimony of one guy to his eyes being healed. Two others testified of healing of deafness. One was deaf in one ear. The other was partially deaf in both ears. Close to fifty testified of pain leaving their body in the service. What is interesting is that at the end of his preaching Bro. Arnold repeatedly said "We don't need hyper-faith." The service was actually slow and he was really almost teaching rather than preaching. (If you can believe that.) It was a definite move of God, not worked up junk. There will be other reports coming out of it, that is for sure. So, Praise God!!!!! He is the one who gets all the glory!
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It is wonderful that God touched him and he recovered from whatever happened. I just wonder why Pentecostal folks are so enamored with the supernatural that they seem to always make situations the extreme of what it could possibly be.
It is a great story of God's touch with it just being that he was unconscious and was healed. That is not good enough for a lot of people though and by the time this gets told a few times it will be a four doctors, ten nurses, an undertaker, and EMT crew all declaring him dead for an hour.
In any case I am glad he is fine.
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07-29-2011, 07:24 PM
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Re: Miracle at Impact Conference
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Originally Posted by CC1
It is wonderful that God touched him and he recovered from whatever happened. I just wonder why Pentecostal folks are so enamored with the supernatural that they seem to always make situations the extreme of what it could possibly be.
It is a great story of God's touch with it just being that he was unconscious and was healed. That is not good enough for a lot of people though and by the time this gets told a few times it will be a four doctors, ten nurses, an undertaker, and EMT crew all declaring him dead for an hour.
In any case I am glad he is fine.
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Well I think some, (not all) Pentecostal folks seek credibility and evidence, ironically, that what they have and practice is legit and beyond refutation.
Many claims are made, even routinely, about OP/Apostolics being the apple of God's eye, so it helps when we can lay claim to something irrefutable... Unfortunately, sometimes the claims themselves become the Achilles Heel...
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07-30-2011, 08:58 AM
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Re: Miracle at Impact Conference
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Well I think some, (not all) Pentecostal folks seek credibility and evidence, ironically, that what they have and practice is legit and beyond refutation.
Many claims are made, even routinely, about OP/Apostolics being the apple of God's eye, so it helps when we can lay claim to something irrefutable... Unfortunately, sometimes the claims themselves become the Achilles Heel...
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It's also a matter of the Bible saying "greater things than these shall they do". A lot of miracles happened in Acts, and so people really, really want these things to happen today. I think it's an honest desire, but it does cause a lot of hype. Not saying this instance was hype, I wasn't there.... but there are a lot of exaggerated stories going around just because people want signs and wonders to happen.
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07-30-2011, 09:31 AM
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Re: Miracle at Impact Conference
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It's also a matter of the Bible saying "greater things than these shall they do". A lot of miracles happened in Acts, and so people really, really want these things to happen today. I think it's an honest desire, but it does cause a lot of hype. Not saying this instance was hype, I wasn't there.... but there are a lot of exaggerated stories going around just because people want signs and wonders to happen.
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Another example of how error in interpretation leads to error in practice.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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07-30-2011, 09:38 AM
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Re: Miracle at Impact Conference
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Another example of how error in interpretation leads to error in practice.
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What do you think Jesus meant?
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07-30-2011, 09:47 AM
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Re: Miracle at Impact Conference
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What do you think Jesus meant?
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Let's start by saying he did NOT mean superseding the raising of the dead after three days...
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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07-30-2011, 10:08 AM
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Re: Miracle at Impact Conference
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What do you think Jesus meant?
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I believe the "greater works" he referenced was the spreading and reception of the gospel to all people. Even the Gentile "dogs" were made fellow believers and received the same hope of eternal life as the chosen people. That's not to say this occurred without miracles and healing demonstration. God often has used those things to accomplish the most vital, and greater objective of spreading the good news of salvation.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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07-30-2011, 01:48 PM
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Re: Miracle at Impact Conference
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
I believe the "greater works" he referenced was the spreading and reception of the gospel to all people. Even the Gentile "dogs" were made fellow believers and received the same hope of eternal life as the chosen people. That's not to say this occurred without miracles and healing demonstration. God often has used those things to accomplish the most vital, and greater objective of spreading the good news of salvation.
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wonder why I am agreeing with you today.. LOL
I used to hope for the day that I would see such great signs and wonders that were even greater than those performed by Jesus.
I then realized that through technology, we have the ability to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ in just seconds across the world to people who do not know him. We can be a witness his love, offer help, hope and encouragement to millions in such a short time... that is what is greater.
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07-29-2011, 10:57 PM
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Re: Miracle at Impact Conference
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Originally Posted by CC1
It is wonderful that God touched him and he recovered from whatever happened. I just wonder why Pentecostal folks are so enamored with the supernatural that they seem to always make situations the extreme of what it could possibly be.
It is a great story of God's touch with it just being that he was unconscious and was healed. That is not good enough for a lot of people though and by the time this gets told a few times it will be a four doctors, ten nurses, an undertaker, and EMT crew all declaring him dead for an hour.
In any case I am glad he is fine.
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Like a certain alter that was struck by lightening and split in two mid sermon.
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07-30-2011, 09:52 AM
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Re: Miracle at Impact Conference
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Originally Posted by CC1
It is wonderful that God touched him and he recovered from whatever happened. I just wonder why Pentecostal folks are so enamored with the supernatural that they seem to always make situations the extreme of what it could possibly be.
It is a great story of God's touch with it just being that he was unconscious and was healed. That is not good enough for a lot of people though and by the time this gets told a few times it will be a four doctors, ten nurses, an undertaker, and EMT crew all declaring him dead for an hour.
In any case I am glad he is fine.
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Well I heard he was white as a sheet and then purple as a plumb...he was dead two minutes, then 15 minutes, etc. It really doesn't matter, people believe what they want to believe and even see what they want to see.
If they think he was dead, he was dead.
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