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Old 08-12-2011, 10:39 PM
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Re: Liberties or The Devil's Lair?

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Good teaching on I Cor. 11 (uncut).

Absolute necessity of Acts 2:38 salvation.

Abstaining from movies, television, and any other ungodly media.

Restricted use of internet and use of good filters.

Abstaining from jewelry (including wedding bands).

Believing in modesty of dress (following guidelines set by my pastor).

Praying in earnest for a genuine move of God in the Jesus name movement, including those that i agree with and those that i don't (reguardless of organization). Taking a stand for holiness and separation from the world while acknowledging that everyone who has been baptized in THE name and filled with THE Spirit is my brother/sister.

I don't care what you call me, as long as HE calls me faithful.
Here is the straight scoop. There was a time (soon after I became Pentecostal) when I was looking for a church as you describe... with ONE BIG exception! I have never believed only Oneness Pentecostals were my brothers and sisters.

(actually possibly two, because I also believe a veil is in question in Cor 11)
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Old 08-12-2011, 10:46 PM
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Here is the straight scoop. There was a time (soon after I became Pentecostal) when I was looking for a church as you describe... with ONE BIG exception! I have never believed only Oneness Pentecostals were my brothers and sisters.
I do not look down on trinitarians. I have seen a great hunger for God in many trinitarian Pentecostal and "Full Gospel" campmeetings. It agitates me when our ppl refer to all those who do not believe like we do as "those charismatics". I spent quite a bit of time in trinitarian churches and i appreciate their love for God. But i do not believe they are saved or my brethren. Not because I am better or wiser or more spiritual but because i believe in the neccessity of this experience, this message, and His name.

And as to the second scoop, when Paul said that her hair is given her for a covering, that pretty much rules out the veil IMO. Not trying to start a debate on I Cor. 11.
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I do not look down on trinitarians. I have seen a great hunger for God in many trinitarian Pentecostal and "Full Gospel" campmeetings. It agitates me when our ppl refer to all those who do not believe like we do as "those charismatics". I spent quite a bit of time in trinitarian churches and i appreciate their love for God. But i do not believe they are saved or my brethren. Not because I am better or wiser or more spiritual but because i believe in the neccessity of this experience, this message, and His name.

And as to the second scoop, when Paul said that her hair is given her for a covering, that pretty much rules out the veil IMO. Not trying to start a debate on I Cor. 11.
At what point do you consider God to have "filled those that hunger and thirst for righteousness"(like the thousands you spoke of), and at what point of this "honoring" their hungrr do they become saved and become your brother?
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Old 08-13-2011, 09:30 AM
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At what point do you consider God to have "filled those that hunger and thirst for righteousness"(like the thousands you spoke of), and at what point of this "honoring" their hungrr do they become saved and become your brother?
When they are baptized in Jesus name.
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When they are baptized in Jesus name.
So when they are 100% hungry for God, and God "fills they that hunger" per His promise, yet they never hear or comprehend your understanding of Jesus name baptism (being of necessity to be spoken by the baptized at baptism), then Gods promise is NOT fullflled with them(no matter what He said), and they are not your brother....So how and who is keeping God from fulfilling His promise to these that are 100% hungry for God and yet are never baptized according to your understanding of Jesus name baptism(expressed by the baptized)?

Or is that what u mean by Jesus name baptism?
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So when they are 100% hungry for God, and God "fills they that hunger" per His promise, yet they never hear or comprehend your understanding of Jesus name baptism (being of necessity to be spoken by the baptized at baptism), then Gods promise is NOT fullflled with them(no matter what He said), and they are not your brother....So how and who is keeping God from fulfilling His promise to these that are 100% hungry for God and yet are never baptized according to your understanding of Jesus name baptism(expressed by the baptized)?

Or is that what u mean by Jesus name baptism?
The Holy Ghost leads into all truth. God responds to the hungry heart by filling them with His Spirit and leading them into truth. The problem often is that God may fill a hungry soul with the Holy Ghost and begin to lead them into truth yet they resist the drawing and leading of the Spirit. It is not that God does not fulfill his promise but that the individual values tradition above truth. I have seen numerous ppl receive the Holy Ghost in a trinitarian church and then God begins to reveal the oneness of the Godhead and baptism in Jesus name to them. I have seen several who resisted the drawing and leading of the Spirit and the revelation God is giving them and when they do this something happens to their spirit. Their hunger and desire for more of God subsides. God is faithful to lead us if we are faithful to be led.
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When they are baptized in Jesus name.
so i guess the promise of God wasnt enough to save them, I guess the promise of God wasnt the spirit of adoption, i guess the promise of God truely wasnt the seal of redemption.

So it doesnt matter what John the baptist said, he who comes after me will baptize you with the Holy spirit.

I guess the bible lied when Paul said its by One Spirit that we are all baptized into One body..


O man we have esteemed water baptism over the blessed Infilling of the Spirit, which is Given to all who call upon the name of the Lord..
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I would have a serious problem with wearing make up.


I'm just saying....





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I would have a serious problem with wearing make up.


I'm just saying....





I guess you mean for guys? Hoovie mentioned covering zits, specifically. Do you think guys should not do that?
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