IF God is Love...

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Conflicting love \hate hyperbole's or just plain ole conflicting scripture?.......

Luk 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

ok here is the lexicon definitions
1.to detest
2.to love less
3.pursue with hatred

so if we go to the meaning i can insert in luke 6:27 do good to them that hate ( detest ) you

so comming from the definitions used by the lexicon the word miseo fits in this way


μισέω
to hate
μισέω
to detest (especially to persecute); by extension, to love lessDerivation: from a primary μῖσος (hatred);
KJV Usage: hate(-ful).
Thayer:1) to hate, pursue with hatred, detest
2) to be hated, detested
Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words•Hate, Hateful, Hater, Hatred

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μισέω
miseō
mis-eh'-o
From a primary word μῖσος misos (hatred); to detest (especially to persecute); by extension to love less

again it depends on the context being used

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by acerrak

ok here is the lexicon definitions
1.to detest
2.to love less
3.pursue with hatred

so if we go to the meaning i can insert in luke 6:27 do good to them that hate ( detest ) you

so comming from the definitions used by the lexicon the word miseo fits in this way


μισέω
to hate
μισέω
to detest (especially to persecute); by extension, to love lessDerivation: from a primary μῖσος (hatred);
KJV Usage: hate(-ful).
Thayer:1) to hate, pursue with hatred, detest
2) to be hated, detested
Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words•Hate, Hateful, Hater, Hatred

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μισέω
miseō
mis-eh'-o
From a primary word μῖσος misos (hatred); to detest (especially to persecute); by extension to love less

again it depends on the context being used

I see there are three views in the "hate" camps concerning Jesus saying to hate your family. 1) It means what it says, hate means to hate, as God hated the deeds of the Nicoliatans. 2) It's explained away by hyperbole. 3) It's a wrong word to be used in today's world. It should be changed to "love less".

Anyway, I was attempting to get back to the God is Love topic of the thread. I was actually speaking of the actions toward your enemies. You love them and kill them or was this just hyperbole?

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I see there are three views in the "hate" camps concerning Jesus saying to hate your family. 1) It means what it says, hate means to hate, as God hated the deeds of the Nicoliatans. 2) It's explained away by hyperbole. 3) It's a wrong word to be used in today's world. It should be changed to "love less".

Anyway, I was attempting to get back to the God is Love topic of the thread. I was actually speaking of the actions toward your enemies. You love them and kill them or was this just hyperbole?

not everyting is a hyperbole, your gonna have to grasp that, ok that is not somethign you can claim on every scripture.

also in translation meanings also change from one barrier to another

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I see there are three views in the "hate" camps concerning Jesus saying to hate your family. 1) It means what it says, hate means to hate, as God hated the deeds of the Nicoliatans. 2) It's explained away by hyperbole. 3) It's a wrong word to be used in today's world. It should be changed to "love less".

Anyway, I was attempting to get back to the God is Love topic of the thread. I was actually speaking of the actions toward your enemies. You love them and kill them or was this just hyperbole?

Wrong again

First of all a Hyperbole assumes it means what it says. That is the nature of a hyperbole.

Second it's not "explained away". Anyone with half a brain understands there are types of speech. Jesus used a type of speech called a Parable, many times.

Jesus entered this world in a time when Greeks had exerted much influence on discourse. Rhetorical arguments came from the greeks and are used in scriptures "Do all speak with tongues?"

Parables too are parts of speech

Hyperboles are just one of those kinds of speech people used to make a point

Why would Jesus tell us on the one hand to honor father and mother and on the other hate them?

Just as He used Parables to teach a greater lesson, he used hypeboles and rhetorical questions to make others

Here the lesson is about your Love for Jesus, your desire to follow Jesus must be greater than your desire to remain away with the family

BTW did Jesus really mean we need to eat his skin or was he using a type of speech again?

[mfblume]

It seems lately so many arguments against well-held truths of the bible have been relegated away to nonsense by people who are not realizing we are 2000 years away from, and half a world of distance from, and an extremely different culture away from, and totally differen idioms and languages from the bible writings. And they think that reading the bible tthrough North Americanized 21st century lenses can let them know what is silly and what is sensible. Okaaaaay....

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It seems lately so many arguments against well-held truths of the bible have been relegated away to nonsense by people who are not realizing we are 2000 years away from, and half a world of distance from, and an extremely different culture away from, and totally differen idioms and languages from the bible writings. And they think that reading the bible tthrough North Americanized 21st century lenses can let them know what is silly and what is sensible. Okaaaaay....

That's what I keep telling Acerrak.

Hermeneutics

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That's what I keep telling Acerrak.

Hermeneutics

there is a difference in bad and good hermenuetics, listening to a rehash of the debate with david bernard and dr white, yea and looking at history and the thought.


i can see where many bad hermenuetics are used. and what some believe to be good biblical truths is more of traditions,

[riverslivnwtr]

Well , I certainly did not expect this thread to go so far.
I have swallowed a few camels and strained on some knats myself