Need the HG speaking in tongues to be saved

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by scotty

Nobody believes that.



And again, nobody has made this statement.



Agreed Hold true to your convictions.

Amanah, here is the twist your going to run into here on the forum. People like me and you and kclee and others believe that speaking in tongues is "evidence" of one being baptized in the Spirit. As you see from the statements quoted above, some will twist that around to make it look like you believe that the "speaking in tongues" is "salvational", when its not, its the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

While some here, such as Delta, will legitimatly debate whether tongues is evidence or not, others will try to box you in and brand you with "tongues = salvation". Don't fall for it.

Scotty, it looks to me like Amanah is calling the holy spirit AND baptism of the holy spirit the same thing. While I could agree, I am on a totally opposite side of the argument.

I just wanted to bring up the point that very few pentecostals believe that holy ghost indwelling and holy ghost baptism are the same thing.

Holy Ghost baptism has always been seen as a second blessing among most in the pentecostal world. However, among pentecostal three-steppers they do not make a distinction between the two and require "tongues" as the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit and therefore a REQUIREMENT for new birth.

Here is a great debate by David Bernard and one of my favorite calvinist debators, James White. DB lays out his position that is very similar to Amanah's. There are five videos total.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx-bD...eature=related

I am very familiar with Amanah's position because I believed the same thing for 27 years.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Scotty, it looks to me like Amanah is calling the holy spirit AND baptism of the holy spirit the same thing. While I could agree, I am on a totally opposite side of the argument.

Yes, that is how I view it as well.

I just wanted to bring up the point that very few pentecostals believe that holy ghost indwelling and holy ghost baptism are the same thing.

But, Delta, what difference does that really make? It really is and should be - what does the Word of God say about it?

My husband was raised with the "second blessing" teaching (COG) and today he believes that teaching is erroneous.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yes, that is how I view it as well.



But, Delta, what difference does that really make? It really is and should be - what does the Word of God say about it?

My husband was raised with the "second blessing" teaching (COG) and today he believes that teaching is erroneous.

I agree. The problem is that we all are reading the same bible and come to different conclusions for a variety of reasons.

If I believed that tongues was the actual evidence of the Holy Spirit then I would believe the way you do too. I cannot believe in the second blessing stuff and is the reason why I distance myself from all pentecostals not just oneness. I believe the second blessing doctrine leads to a bunch of mess up folks trying to become more and more spiritual based on their works.