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Old 10-21-2011, 10:26 AM
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So are you insinuating that a person who does not believe in annihilation is not in the body of Christ?
Everyone baptized in the Holy Spirit is in the body of Christ. Yet not every one who is Christs understands his foundation teachings.
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Old 10-21-2011, 11:00 AM
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Everyone baptized in the Holy Spirit is in the body of Christ. Yet not every one who is Christs understands his foundation teachings.
Ok...but I don't think annihilation is foundational, is it?

1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

1. Repentance from dead works
2. Faith towards God
3. Baptisms
4. Laying on of hands
5. Ressurection of the dead
6. Eternal Judgement

It does not specifically say what happens in the eternal judgement though...
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Everyone baptized in the Holy Spirit is in the body of Christ. Yet not every one who is Christs understands his foundation teachings.
Translation: not everyone has the same understanding of things that MtD has.
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Old 10-21-2011, 08:39 PM
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Rob Bell preaches the gospel each week to more than many preachers do in a life time. And you want to call him a voice of the serpent??? You are not scriptural in doing so. Jesus told his followers not to condemn those that were preaching Jesus, "...if they are not against us they are for us".

He preaches a God of peace and love, not one of hate of His creation. A God that succeeds in His purpose not one that is always angry with His creation.

The lost won't even listen to most preaching, but Rob Bell is "...wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove..." in his presentations. That is the only comparison to a serpent,that stands, not THE serpent.
I don't care how many people he preaches to. He preaches a different gospel than Jesus being the only way.
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Rob Bell preaches the gospel each week to more than many preachers do in a life time. And you want to call him a voice of the serpent??? You are not scriptural in doing so. Jesus told his followers not to condemn those that were preaching Jesus, "...if they are not against us they are for us".

He preaches a God of peace and love, not one of hate of His creation. A God that succeeds in His purpose not one that is always angry with His creation.

The lost won't even listen to most preaching, but Rob Bell is "...wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove..." in his presentations. That is the only comparison to a serpent,that stands, not THE serpent.
If you don't like serpent I'll call him wolf then.
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I don't care how many people he preaches to. He preaches a different gospel than Jesus being the only way.
You haven't heard his complete message, to believe that.
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If you don't like serpent I'll call him wolf then.
I don't like either, but, of course, you can do what you like.
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A denial of the truth of the eternal justice of God on the basis of human understanding and compassion, a lowered attitude toward sin and the degrading of the truth of the horrendous crime against the holiness of God that sin is, such things are what birth and construct this annihilation doctrine. It is when men think with their carnal heart instead of heeding to the scriptures that this heresy comes into being.
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Old 10-23-2011, 07:32 AM
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A denial of the truth of the eternal justice of God on the basis of human understanding and compassion, a lowered attitude toward sin and the degrading of the truth of the horrendous crime against the holiness of God that sin is, such things are what birth and construct this annihilation doctrine. It is when men think with their carnal heart instead of heeding to the scriptures that this heresy comes into being.
No it is not based on these things. The attitude of God towards sin is seen in that lukewarm and sinning Christians themselves will be cast into Hell. God is offended by their cults that teach "you cant be perfect".

Annihilation doctrine is based simply on what God says are the wages of sin.

Old Testament:

18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18:4

New Testament:

6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:21-23

Those who oppose the truth say mans soul is immortal and cannot die.

God says even the brethren who turn back will suffer the death of their SOUL.

5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20
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That we need to develop a love for Christ based on facts and not fear!
If hell is a place of punishment, what does that have to do with "we need to develop a love for Christ based on facts and not fear!"??

That assumes something that has not been shown to be true
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