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Old 12-30-2011, 08:30 AM
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Re: The Dangers of Sexting.

I'm certainly not justifying anyone's sin and PORN IS A SIN. But it's also an addiction, just like alcoholism or drug addiction. Some people are instantly set free from addictions when they come to Christ and/or are filled with the Holy Ghost. But some people are not, and have to struggle for years, daily laying down their desires. It doesn't seem fair, but God never said He was fair.
Thank God that He is merciful and full of grace, and that He knows our struggles.
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:06 AM
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I do not deny that there are besetting sins. I myself struggled with profanity for years after being saved. While I learned to quit saying the 'big three' I still used all kinds of slang and replacements for cuss words. I still thought in curses... In example when someone cut me off in traffic or I dropped a hammer on my foot I did not think 'meanie!' or 'ouch!'... I might have even let expletives out into the atmosphere if I was 'alone'. It was the realization that I am never alone that helped me most. God sees me 24/7 and if I would not do it in front of my boss I won't do it in front of God either. I desire to clean every last vestige of profanity from my life, because it is sin.

I understand that the work is mine but the grace and strength to do it is Gods. I am not a 'cusser' because I have cussed and someone else is not an alcoholic or a pervert who will never be whole without a lifetime of 12 step meetings.We are people who once sinned by cussing, drinking and viewing pornography. And such were some of you. Our sins are not our identity. That is the triumph of God.

The idea of sin as addictions and diseases are cultural. This is the kind of stinkin' thinkin' that leads us to believe that homosexuals are 'born that way' and can not be changed by God. We as the representatives of the One True God have to avoid falling too far into the culture trap and find our beliefs in scripture. So again I ask... where is the part in God's word that says certain types of sinners will not be changed without something besides the power of God?

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Old 12-30-2011, 09:24 AM
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The idea of sin as addictions and diseases are cultural. This is the kind of stinkin' thinkin' that leads us to believe that homosexuals are 'born that way' and can not be changed by God. We as the representatives of the One True God have to avoid falling too far into the culture trap and find our beliefs in scripture. So again I ask... where is the part in God's word that says certain types of sinners will not be changed without something besides the power of God?
The Bible calls it bondage, which is pretty much the same thing as addiction.

I don't think anyone is saying that something besides the power of God is what is going to free them. They are just saying that sometimes, for whatever reason, people can find it very difficult to walk in that freedom, and still find themselves bound. It is STILL the power of God which is going to free them, but just lightly saying - 'oh, that's a sin, you need to stop that!' isn't going to help free them.
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:31 AM
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The Bible calls it bondage, which is pretty much the same thing as addiction.

I don't think anyone is saying that something besides the power of God is what is going to free them. They are just saying that sometimes, for whatever reason, people can find it very difficult to walk in that freedom, and still find themselves bound. It is STILL the power of God which is going to free them, but just lightly saying - 'oh, that's a sin, you need to stop that!' isn't going to help free them.
BECAUSE they are walking in the flesh, per the scriptures.
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:32 AM
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The Bible calls it bondage, which is pretty much the same thing as addiction.

I don't think anyone is saying that something besides the power of God is what is going to free them. They are just saying that sometimes, for whatever reason, people can find it very difficult to walk in that freedom, and still find themselves bound. It is STILL the power of God which is going to free them, but just lightly saying - 'oh, that's a sin, you need to stop that!' isn't going to help free them.
Is there any sin that's just a piece of cake to walk away from? That would pertain to most all sin wouldn't it.

Things get so redefined these days.

They are now calling alcoholism a disease.

Addictions... in my mind... are things that the body develops a chemical dependency on.

It seems that many view any action that is difficult to stop as an addiction. We live in a world that relabels everything in a manner that is not in keeping with the true meaning of the term. Just like earlier in this thread someone called pornograhy an abomination. We label stuff we really abhor as an abomination. Then there are no real lines anymore because we label things per the way we feel about them.

Will insurance companies eventually treat pornography addiction? I wouldn't be surprised.

Alcoholism isn't a disease and pornography isn't an addicion... at least by the true meanings of these words.
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:35 AM
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Is there any sin that's just a piece of cake to walk away from? That would pertain to most all sin wouldn't it.

Things get so redefined these days.

They are now calling alcoholism a disease.

Addictions... in my mind... are things that the body develops a chemical dependency on.

It seems that many view any action that is difficult to stop as an addiction. We live in a world that relabels everything in a manner that is not in keeping with the true meaning of the term.

Will insurance companies eventually treat pornography addiction?

Alcoholism isn't a disease and pornography isn't an addicion... at least by the true meanings of these words.
My point exactly...
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:48 AM
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pornography isn't an addicion... at least by the true meanings of these words.

According to dictionary.com:

adˇdicˇtion

the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.


I think porn can definitely be psychologically addicting.

I have no problem with using the word addiction in relation to porn, as long as no one is using it for an excuse. I don't think addiction is an excuse for any harmful or sinful activity. Addictions should be broken, whether it's porn, drugs, alcohol, food, spending too much... whatever.

But there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that it's not always as easy as snapping your fingers and saying - ok, I'll just quit that now.

And yes, I KNOW the power of God heals all of these things. But for whatever reason, some people struggle harder sometimes with living in the power God gives us. I've seen people stop smoking, including all cravings, the very minute they were filled with the spirit. I've seen others go on to struggle with it for years. I don't know why it happens that way. I do know that us wagging our fingers and saying - you just need to QUIT, because you're SINNING, isn't particularly helpful to them. Most of them want desperately to quit. The best thing we can do is walk beside them and believe with them for victory in these areas of their life.
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The Bible calls it bondage, which is pretty much the same thing as addiction.

I don't think anyone is saying that something besides the power of God is what is going to free them. They are just saying that sometimes, for whatever reason, people can find it very difficult to walk in that freedom, and still find themselves bound. It is STILL the power of God which is going to free them, but just lightly saying - 'oh, that's a sin, you need to stop that!' isn't going to help free them.
Why isn't it going to help them? It helped me. Someone wanted to start a 12 step program at the church I attended years ago... I had to wonder if it was good for people who claim to know God in the fullness of his power, who have not had a drink for years or even decades to stand up and say before a group 'I am an alcoholic'. Why after being bought with a great price would you speak a curse over your life like that?

How is 'go and sin no more' much different from 'that is a sin, you need to stop doing that'? We as believers do need to say those things to each other.... about cussing, lying, stealing, cheating, getting drunk, getting stoned, having sex outside of marriage, overeating, overspending, coveting, being angry or violent, etc. And we need to say them to nonbelievers too. The difference is that those who do not know God also need to be told that He can and will help them overcome those sins... Those who already know God may need to be reminded but they deep down know that it is SIN that separates them from God.

Can the Holy Ghost reside in a person who is drunk, stoned, having sex with someone besides their spouse, watching a porno?

1Cor. 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?

Barnes' Notes on the Bible

What! know ye not ... - This is the fifth argument against this sin. The Holy Spirit dwells in us; our bodies are his temples; and they should not be defiled and polluted by sin; see the note at 1 Corinthians 3:16-17. As this Spirit is in us, and as it is given us by God, we ought not to dishonor the gift and the giver by pollution and vice.

And ye are not your own - This is the sixth argument which Paul uses. We are purchased; we belong to God; we are his by redemption; by a precious price paid; and we are bound, therefore, to devote ourselves, body, soul, and spirit, as he directs, to the glory of his name, not to the gratification of the flesh; see the note at Romans 14:7-8.

Clarke's Commentary on the Bible

Your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost - What an astonishing saying is this! As truly as the living God dwelt in the Mosaic tabernacle, and in the temple of Solomon, so truly does the Holy Ghost dwell in the souls of genuine Christians; and as the temple and all its utensils were holy, separated from all common and profane uses, and dedicated alone to the service of God, so the bodies of genuine Christians are holy, and all their members should be employed in the service of God alone.

And ye are not your own? - Ye have no right over yourselves, to dispose either of your body, or any of its members, as you may think proper or lawful; you are bound to God, and to him you are accountable.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost,.... What is said in 1 Corinthians 3:16 of the saints in general, is here said of their bodies in particular. The Holy Spirit, in regeneration and sanctification, when he begins the good work of grace on a man, takes possession of his whole person, soul and body, and dwells therein as in his temple. So the Jews (o) call the body of a righteous man the "habitation" of the Holy Spirit. Now it is most abominably scandalous and shameful that that body, which is the dwelling place of the Holy Spirit, which is sacred to him as a temple, should be defiled by the sin of fornication: it is added,

which is in you, which ye have of God; meaning the Holy Spirit which was in them, as in his temple; which dwelt in their hearts, and influenced their bodies, lives, and conversations; and which they received of God as a wonderful instance of his grace and love to them; that he should be bestowed upon them, to regenerate, renew, and sanctify them, to implant every grace, to make them a fit habitation for God, and meet for the inheritance of the saints in light:

and ye are not your own: their own masters, at their own dispose, to live to their own lusts, or the lusts of men; men have not power over their bodies to abuse them at pleasure by fornication, or such like uncleanness, neither single nor married persons; see 1 Corinthians 7:4 and of all men, not the saints, who are neither their own nor other men's, nor Satan's, but God's; not only by creation, but by choice and covenant; and Christ's by gift, by purchase, and powerful grace, and in a conjugal relation to him; wherefore fornication ill becomes them.

Hummmm?????

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Can the Holy Ghost reside in a person who is drunk, stoned, having sex with someone besides their spouse, watching a porno?



There is a big difference between someone who is deliberately sinning and is not repentant... and someone who desperately wants to be free from something which has them bound.

I've seen people get so discouraged because they couldn't quit smoking that they'd quit coming to church altogether. They couldn't understand by Bro. So-and-So lost the physical craving immediately, and they didn't. They'd beg for prayer, beg for deliverance, and for whatever reason, still have the physical cravings. Telling them YOU'RE SINNING wasn't particularly helpful. They were already fully aware that they needed to break the habit. They felt like there was something wrong with them because they couldn't seem to break it.

I struggled with forgiving someone for a long time. The feelings I had toward that person weren't godly at all. But people telling me YOU NEED TO FORGIVE!!!! wasn't remotely helpful. It took genuine power of God working in my heart to bring about forgiveness. The best thing anyone could do for me at that time was pray.
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I'm certainly not justifying anyone's sin and PORN IS A SIN. But it's also an addiction, just like alcoholism or drug addiction. Some people are instantly set free from addictions when they come to Christ and/or are filled with the Holy Ghost. But some people are not, and have to struggle for years, daily laying down their desires. It doesn't seem fair, but God never said He was fair.
Thank God that He is merciful and full of grace, and that He knows our struggles.
I'm sorry but you can not put someone who watches pornography in the same category as a drug addict or alcoholic... I have seen what someone looks like in detox and you can't compare that to someone who has the lust of the eye or adultry in their heart..... I'm not saying its easy to stop, I understand that it's a strong hold and our world keeps putting in our face... I don't believe someone can be spirit filled while doing this.... Like Jesus told the women who was caught in the act of adultry " go and sin no more " it was her choice
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