Calling on the Name of the Lord

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

So Peter was a liar? He made it clear it was for Remission of sins.

Now let the merry-go-round debate over the meaning os "eis" begin anew once again.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins

"arise and be baptized and WASH AWAY THY SINS calling on the name of the lord" Acts 22:16

I mean you REALLY don't have to be a Bible scholar to see a correlation there between baptism being FOR the remission of sins and washing away sins. Unfortunetly for the "eis" crowd there is no "eis" in Acts 22:16 to play with... it just means what it says. Or maybe not...

Acts 2:38 "Repent (only if you're a REALLY bad person otherwise just say the "sinners prayer") and be baptized (if you feel like it) every one of you (the Jews) in the Name of Jesus Christ (or the Father, or the Son, or the Holy Ghost, or all three, or a combination of the three, or Yogi Bear, pick one it doesn't matter anyway) and you shall recieve the (added blessing) Gift of the (Baptism of, not the "measure of" that you get when you repent or say the sinners prayer) Holy Ghost"

That's good BIBLE TEACHIN' RIGHT THERE!

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

"arise and be baptized and WASH AWAY THY SINS calling on the name of the lord" Acts 22:16

I mean you REALLY don't have to be a Bible scholar to see a correlation there between baptism being FOR the remission of sins and washing away sins. Unfortunetly for the "eis" crowd there is no "eis" in Acts 22:16 to play with... it just means what it says. Or maybe not...

Acts 2:38 "Repent (only if you're a REALLY bad person otherwise just say the "sinners prayer") and be baptized (if you feel like it) every one of you (the Jews) in the Name of Jesus Christ (or the Father, or the Son, or the Holy Ghost, or all three, or a combination of the three, or Yogi Bear, pick one it doesn't matter anyway) and you shall recieve the (added blessing) Gift of the (Baptism of, not the "measure of" that you get when you repent or say the sinners prayer) Holy Ghost"

That's good BIBLE TEACHIN' RIGHT THERE!

What's your comment on Acts 10:43. It was Peter who said it also, right?

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

What's your comment on Acts 10:43. It was Peter who said it also, right?

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Someone needs to show me explicitly where the scripture says that mere belief and confession alone remits sin.

"If you believe in Christ you shall receive the remission of sins," does not suggest that a sinners prayer, belief in God, or even repentance alone actually IS the remission of sins. We are baptized FOR the remission of sins. When we believe in Christ we'll do what he says do, we will follow his word and will be baptized and that baptism is our remission. "He that believeth and is baptized..."

The belief sets us up for the remission, but it does not remit our sins. It does not wash our sins away on it's own. Baptism truthfully doesn't either because baptism is done based upon our faith. No faith no remission. No baptism no remission.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

Someone needs to show me explicitly where the scripture says that mere belief and confession alone remits sin.

"If you believe in Christ you shall receive the remission of sins," does not suggest that a sinners prayer, belief in God, or even repentance alone actually IS the remission of sins. We are baptized FOR the remission of sins. When we believe in Christ we'll do what he says do, we will follow his word and will be baptized and that baptism is our remission. "He that believeth and is baptized..."

The belief sets us up for the remission, but it does not remit our sins. It does not wash our sins away on it's own. Baptism truthfully doesn't either because baptism is done based upon our faith. No faith no remission. No baptism no remission.

"Baptism doth now save us, not the washing of the flesh but the answer of a good conscience toward the Lord."

If baptism is the answer of a good conscience, then what is the question?

Do you believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
Will you verbally affirm your faith in Jesus Christ?
Is your conscience clear toward God?
Then you should be baptized.

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

If you believe and confess, then to solidify your belief in and heartfelt verbal confession of Jesus Christ, you are baptized.

Does anyone else remember hearing the phrase, "Upon the confession of your faith..." right before they were baptized in water in the Name of Jesus? It's biblical to establish the faith of the person being baptized before they are baptized because "baptism is the answer of a good conscience toward the Lord."


When one hears the Gospel (which repentance is part of), if they are convicted of their sin and surrenders to Christ, then they shall be saved. The proof of their faith is their obedience to the command to be baptized in water.
The proof of their faith is their love for their spiritual brothers and sisters.
The proof of their faith is their walking away from sin to pursue Christ.
These are the works of a person who confesses saving faith in Christ.

The infilling of the Holy Ghost is a Promise and is a supernatural Work of God in the life of the believer.
I can get baptized, but I can't fill myself with the Holy Spirit. God is not capricious, but He is Sovereign and He will pour out His Spirit as He wills.

The whole idea of even implying to a person that you're not saved until we hear you speak in tongues minimizes faith in the Savior and His Gospel and it attempts to put God in a box.

God PROMISES the Holy Spirit to all whomever He calls, but He does not promise that all speak in tongues and there are at least three conversion experiences in the New Testament that leaves no indication or even space for these new converts to speak in tongues. They would still be saved, in accordance to numerous scriptures that indicate is by His Grace and our faith (which still comes from Him).

If ANYONE is saved, it won't be because they understood all mysteries or because they were baptized the "right" way. It will be by Grace, through faith.

When the Spirit comes, you can not see where it comes from or where it goes, but you can feel it, and even hear it.

It is interesting that, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen."

[Jermyn Davidson]

Titus 3:5 response

Have you ever felt renewed in their spirit, without speaking in tongues at the moment of renewal?

I have heard sermons that renewed me, but I wasn't speaking in tongues at the point of renewal because I was intently listening to the sermon-- the words of the man of God as he spoke and elaborated on the Word of God.

I have had people speak words of encouragement and strength under the unction of the Holy Spirit and those words brought about a renewal in me, again no one was speaking in tongues in these moments.

The washing of regeneration is properly attributed to the reading of the Word of God as opposed to water baptism, for the sake of scriptural continuity.

Of course, all of this is my humble opinion and I am still seeking God.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Titus 3:5 response

Have you ever felt renewed in their spirit, without speaking in tongues at the moment of renewal?

I have heard sermons that renewed me, but I wasn't speaking in tongues at the point of renewal because I was intently listening to the sermon-- the words of the man of God as he spoke and elaborated on the Word of God.

I have had people speak words of encouragement and strength under the unction of the Holy Spirit and those words brought about a renewal in me, again no one was speaking in tongues in these moments.

The washing of regeneration is properly attributed to the reading of the Word of God as opposed to water baptism, for the sake of scriptural continuity.

Of course, all of this is my humble opinion and I am still seeking God.

Titus 3:5 is specifically talking about the new birth of the Spirit. Titus 3:5 in the KJV plainly links regeneration to receiving the Holy Ghost. The NIV which I quoted used the term "new birth" instead of "regeneration". Furthermore, I never mentioned water baptism in regards to regeneration. Certainly it is a step towards regeneration. But regeneration is strictly a work of the Holy Ghost.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

"Baptism doth now save us, not the washing of the flesh but the answer of a good conscience toward the Lord."

If baptism is the answer of a good conscience, then what is the question?

Do you believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
Will you verbally affirm your faith in Jesus Christ?
Is your conscience clear toward God?
Then you should be baptized.

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

Faith is steeped int he salvation process entirely. One will not truly repent of ones sin without faith. One cannot be baptized without faith, otherwise you are simply taking a swim. If baptism was effective without the faith of the believer I'd lead all my unsaved brothers and sisters to a pool push them in and yell "JESUS"... unfortunately it doesn't work that way. Faith is what applies the blood to the baptism. It is faith that saves us, I don't know an OP who does not believe this. Without faith the baptism means nothing. However "faith" is not hearing something believing it and walking away. It's obeying God's command. When we "believe and are baptized" our sins are washed away because of our obedience to the word of God.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If you believe and confess, then to solidify your belief in and heartfelt verbal confession of Jesus Christ, you are baptized.

You are baptized when you are baptized.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

When one hears the Gospel (which repentance is part of), if they are convicted of their sin and surrenders to Christ, then they shall be saved. The proof of their faith is their obedience to the command to be baptized in water.
The proof of their faith is their love for their spiritual brothers and sisters.
The proof of their faith is their walking away from sin to pursue Christ.
These are the works of a person who confesses saving faith in Christ.

So what if they don't? Is that proof of their disbelief?

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The whole idea of even implying to a person that you're not saved until we hear you speak in tongues minimizes faith in the Savior and His Gospel and it attempts to put God in a box.

In the days of Noah there was ONE way out of complete destruction. You had to get on the Ark Noah was instructed to build. You could build your own, you could try to go to high ground, you could try to build an airplane but the outcome would be the same. You would die. Was Noah putting God in a box when he said there's only one way out of destruction in those days? No, he was following God's instruction. Why? Because God's instruction is ALWAYS very specific. He wants things done HIS way. He sets up a plan and requires obedience, and he very much has that right. We have no right to put God in a box, he has the right to put us in one though. A giant one with two of every animal, and you have a right not to go into that box, but just be aware of the consequences.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If ANYONE is saved, it won't be because they understood all mysteries or because they were baptized the "right" way. It will be by Grace, through faith.

If anyone is saved it is because they obtained mercy from God, heard God's instruction (the word of God), and obeyed.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

Faith is steeped int he salvation process entirely. One will not truly repent of ones sin without faith. One cannot be baptized without faith, otherwise you are simply taking a swim. If baptism was effective without the faith of the believer I'd lead all my unsaved brothers and sisters to a pool push them in and yell "JESUS"... unfortunately it doesn't work that way. Faith is what applies the blood to the baptism. It is faith that saves us, I don't know an OP who does not believe this. Without faith the baptism means nothing. However "faith" is not hearing something believing it and walking away. It's obeying God's command. When we "believe and are baptized" our sins are washed away because of our obedience to the word of God.



You are baptized when you are baptized.



So what if they don't? Is that proof of their disbelief?




In the days of Noah there was ONE way out of complete destruction. You had to get on the Ark Noah was instructed to build. You could build your own, you could try to go to high ground, you could try to build an airplane but the outcome would be the same. You would die. Was Noah putting God in a box when he said there's only one way out of destruction in those days? No, he was following God's instruction. Why? Because God's instruction is ALWAYS very specific. He wants things done HIS way. He sets up a plan and requires obedience, and he very much has that right. We have no right to put God in a box, he has the right to put us in one though. A giant one with two of every animal, and you have a right not to go into that box, but just be aware of the consequences.



If anyone is saved it is because they obtained mercy from God, heard God's instruction (the word of God), and obeyed.

Very good...

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

Faith is steeped int he salvation process entirely. One will not truly repent of ones sin without faith. One cannot be baptized without faith, otherwise you are simply taking a swim. If baptism was effective without the faith of the believer I'd lead all my unsaved brothers and sisters to a pool push them in and yell "JESUS"... unfortunately it doesn't work that way. Faith is what applies the blood to the baptism. It is faith that saves us, I don't know an OP who does not believe this. Without faith the baptism means nothing. However "faith" is not hearing something believing it and walking away. It's obeying God's command. When we "believe and are baptized" our sins are washed away because of our obedience to the word of God.



You are baptized when you are baptized.



So what if they don't? Is that proof of their disbelief?




In the days of Noah there was ONE way out of complete destruction. You had to get on the Ark Noah was instructed to build. You could build your own, you could try to go to high ground, you could try to build an airplane but the outcome would be the same. You would die. Was Noah putting God in a box when he said there's only one way out of destruction in those days? No, he was following God's instruction. Why? Because God's instruction is ALWAYS very specific. He wants things done HIS way. He sets up a plan and requires obedience, and he very much has that right. We have no right to put God in a box, he has the right to put us in one though. A giant one with two of every animal, and you have a right not to go into that box, but just be aware of the consequences.



If anyone is saved it is because they obtained mercy from God, heard God's instruction (the word of God), and obeyed.

According to the bible, they weren't saved by the ark.

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.