Calling on the Name of the Lord

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by NorCal

Incorrect. Baptism is FOR the Remission of Sins. It is not just a "Faith in Christ" statement. (Acts 2:38.)

Jesus told us in Mark 16:16 - Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Notice the keyword in the sentence. AND. Believes AND is baptized. You can not be saved with out being baptized. That word and is KAI. It can be said as AND or EVEN. So let us read it in a different manner.

"Whoever believes, even baptized, will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

So you could equate Baptism in Jesus Name as believing on Jesus Christ for Salvation.

Either way you look at it, to be saved you MUST be baptized to be saved.

You are wrong.

Baptism is NOT for the remission of sins.

Is that why Jesus was baptized?
If Jesus is our example, and we are to do what He does, why did He get baptized?
What did Jesus say was the reasoning behind His decision to get baptized?


A person does not get baptized in order to get saved.
Salvation is by faith.
Baptism is our testimony of the saving faith we have in Jesus Christ.

Was Cornelius filled with the Holy Ghost without his sins being remitted?
Did God pour His Spirit into a dirty, sinful vessel?

The story of the very first Gentile conversion contradicts the doctrine that a person is not saved until they are baptized.

[FieryMethodist]

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

Both Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 state that anyone who "calls" on the name of the Lord will be saved.

What does this mean?

By "calling" are we referring to mere vocalization, or must something else be attached to the plea for salvation to the name?

No, it is not saying a prayer. It is a belief in the heart (results in justification), and the oral confession, calling on the name of the Lord, that gets the conversion and assurance, shall be saved. The faith statement, calling on the name of the Lord, means you put your trust in the event of Christ's resurrection for your salvation.

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

I tried the "calling on the Name of the Lord" hoping to be saved. However, I always felt like there was something more to it than just calling on the Lord. When God led me to a UPC church to be baptized in the Name of Jesus, that is when I knew I had found Him.

Too bad so many UPC throw their converts away over non issues for salvation. I'd still be there right now if it weren't for the non-issues.

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

So you felt like you needed to do something to save yourself?

I'm a charismatic United Methodist minister. I was introduced to the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and tongues by a UPCI pastor. I did receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit and I spoke in tongues. Some in the Methodist church is getting it. When the UPC pastor tried to influence me to change from United Methodist to UPC, I disagree with the means of water baptism, the 'required' evidence of speaking in tongues, and I disagree with the standards of holiness, what to wear and not wear legalism.

However, I am absolutely convinced that we are saved by grace through faith without legalism. Yes, I preach Romans 10:13, ‘For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved’ for conversion as the only requirement for salvation. It is the moment you call upon the name of the Lord you SHALL BE SAVED.” I believe that just the faith statement, calling on the name of the Lord, is required for conversion, and I believe you do it without legalism, without being strict, without doctrinal conformity, without specific ritual procedures, without the ‘means’ of water baptism, and without speaking in tongues.

God Bless

[Nitehawk013]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

You are wrong.

Baptism is NOT for the remission of sins.

Is that why Jesus was baptized?
If Jesus is our example, and we are to do what He does, why did He get baptized?
What did Jesus say was the reasoning behind His decision to get baptized?


A person does not get baptized in order to get saved.
Salvation is by faith.
Baptism is our testimony of the saving faith we have in Jesus Christ.

Was Cornelius filled with the Holy Ghost without his sins being remitted?
Did God pour His Spirit into a dirty, sinful vessel?

The story of the very first Gentile conversion contradicts the doctrine that a person is not saved until they are baptized.

So Peter was a liar? He made it clear it was for Remission of sins.

Now let the merry-go-round debate over the meaning os "eis" begin anew once again.

[Jermyn Davidson]

If YOUR interpretaton of 1 obscure preposition contradicts the very clear portions of scripture, then your interpretation is wrong.


The book of Peter details the purpose of baptism.

Was St. Peter bi-polar?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

Both Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 state that anyone who "calls" on the name of the Lord will be saved.

What does this mean?

By "calling" are we referring to mere vocalization, or must something else be attached to the plea for salvation to the name?

What that means for some is to have someone else, preferably a preacher, call upon the name of the Lord for you in following a baptismal ritual.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by seekerman

What that means for some is to have someone else, preferably a preacher, call upon the name of the Lord for you in following a baptismal ritual.

... and they are wrong for adding to the Bible, whoever they are who believe that.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

... and they are wrong for adding to the Bible, whoever they are who believe that.

I agree.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I agree.

[houston]

"depends on what the meaning of eis is" -Bill Clinton

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

So Peter was a liar? He made it clear it was for Remission of sins.

Now let the merry-go-round debate over the meaning os "eis" begin anew once again.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins