Did Men live 900 years?

[TGBTG]

Notforsale,

Do you believe that Jesus Christ died and he rose from the dead after three days?

If yes, then it shouldn't be hard to believe that men could live that long

If no, well, there's no point even discussing the events of genesis.

The focal point of the bible is about a man rising from the dead after 3 days. That event in itself is a miracle.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Notforsale,

Do you believe that Jesus Christ died and he rose from the dead after three days?

If yes, then it shouldn't be hard to believe that men could live that long

If no, well, there's no point even discussing the events of genesis.

The focal point of the bible is about a man rising from the dead after 3 days. That event in itself is a miracle.

How many horsemen did David take with him from Hadadezer?

700 horsemen. (II Samuel 8:4), or 7,000 horsemen. (I Chronicles 18:4)

[Jermyn Davidson]

Did God command the Jews to emasculate their enemies after one specific battle? If yes, does it matter?

If yes, does it matter that the interpreters of the original King James Version thought that detail to be too graphic to translated EXACTLY as it appeared in their manuscripts?

If it does matter, how does it matter?

Does it take away from ANY of the linchpin doctrines of our faith?

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Did God command the Jews to emasculate their enemies after one specific battle? If yes, does it matter?

If yes, does it matter that the interpreters of the original King James Version thought that detail to be too graphic to translated EXACTLY as it appeared in their manuscripts?

If it does matter, how does it matter?

Does it take away from ANY of the linchpin doctrines of our faith?

Yes, it does matter. If there are errors, and I can prove there are many, then we have a moral responsibility to admit there are mistakes. We must also have the courage to admit that there is a lot we don’t know and that our judgments in the past were wrong.

Good luck getting staunch Apostolics to admit they were (are) wrong. Failing to confess our misleading dogmas of the past is what’s causing people to look elsewhere for answers.

So Jermyn, does your (Faith) Religion save people? What are your "Linchpins", and if others don’t agree with you, are they still going to be accepted by God in the end?

If you can’t answer the above question with an unwavering, solid answer, then the Bible is not clear about Faith or the realms we know nothing about. Sorry, but I feel God is far bigger than one Book that no one can agree upon.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Sorry, but I feel God is far bigger than one Book that no one can agree upon.

No need to apologize to me.

I fully accept your right to be wrong.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

No need to apologize to me.

I fully accept your right to be wrong.

You haven't proven that I am wrong. This is the sad trend of every Religion; make others look wrong, without the facts.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

You haven't proven that I am wrong. This is the sad trend of every Religion; make others look wrong, without the facts.

This is not my intent and I apologize.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

How many horsemen did David take with him from Hadadezer?

700 horsemen. (II Samuel 8:4), or 7,000 horsemen. (I Chronicles 18:4)

I Chronicles 18:4 (NIV)
1 In the course of time, David defeated the Philistines and subdued them, and he took Gath and its surrounding villages from the control of the Philistines.
2 David also defeated the Moabites, and they became subject to him and brought him tribute.
3 Moreover, David defeated Hadadezer king of Zobah, in the vicinity of Hamath, when he went to set up his monument at[a] the Euphrates River.
4 David captured a thousand of his chariots, seven thousand charioteers and twenty thousand foot soldiers. He hamstrung all but a hundred of the chariot horses.

2 Sam 8:4 (NIV)
1 In the course of time, David defeated the Philistines and subdued them, and he took Metheg Ammah from the control of the Philistines.
2 David also defeated the Moabites. He made them lie down on the ground and measured them off with a length of cord. Every two lengths of them were put to death, and the third length was allowed to live. So the Moabites became subject to David and brought him tribute.
3 Moreover, David defeated Hadadezer son of Rehob, king of Zobah, when he went to restore his monument at[a] the Euphrates River.
4 David captured a thousand of his chariots, seven thousand charioteers[b] and twenty thousand foot soldiers. He hamstrung all but a hundred of the chariot horses.

The NIV has it both as 7,000. This has been discussed before, anyway. Translation errors are possible, but the message remains the same.

Do you believe Jesus died and rose from the dead?

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I Chronicles 18:4 (NIV)
1 In the course of time, David defeated the Philistines and subdued them, and he took Gath and its surrounding villages from the control of the Philistines.
2 David also defeated the Moabites, and they became subject to him and brought him tribute.
3 Moreover, David defeated Hadadezer king of Zobah, in the vicinity of Hamath, when he went to set up his monument at[a] the Euphrates River.
4 David captured a thousand of his chariots, seven thousand charioteers and twenty thousand foot soldiers. He hamstrung all but a hundred of the chariot horses.

2 Sam 8:4 (NIV)
1 In the course of time, David defeated the Philistines and subdued them, and he took Metheg Ammah from the control of the Philistines.
2 David also defeated the Moabites. He made them lie down on the ground and measured them off with a length of cord. Every two lengths of them were put to death, and the third length was allowed to live. So the Moabites became subject to David and brought him tribute.
3 Moreover, David defeated Hadadezer son of Rehob, king of Zobah, when he went to restore his monument at[a] the Euphrates River.
4 David captured a thousand of his chariots, seven thousand charioteers[b] and twenty thousand foot soldiers. He hamstrung all but a hundred of the chariot horses.

The NIV has it both as 7,000. This has been discussed before, anyway. Translation errors are possible, but the message remains the same.

Do you believe Jesus died and rose from the dead?

So, you do admit to "Translation" errors? A step in the right direction, but, I don't think you have considered the depth of this problem. If you are prepared to go there, the errors are staggering. It took years for me to finally accept this, and I feel that a man’s integrity rests upon his admission that we don’t have all the answers, using a Book that is full of mistakes.

I believe this is why there are so many Denominations in the World. Errors keep us from unifying into a single Body of Believers; in other words, what I feel is God’s equation, is not what other people feel is God’s equation. We are all reaching for something we can’t see or prove, accept, by the use of the Bible, and there is no argument that people fight to death trying to interpret “It”.

In our “Religion”, the pulpit has been pounded with the rhetoric that the Bible is infallible, and the ignorant believe this. This means, we guard lies to protect our Tradition and fear of people that we think are talking to God. This is dangerous and misleading.

The message doesn’t remain the same if one passage says, 700 and the other says, 7000. If I conquer in a War with 700 horsemen against an army of 50,000, the story changes entirely when I accomplish this with 7000 horsemen. We also see that just one “0” can mean the difference of thousands.

This does prove that the Bible is not perfect, a fact that many Christians are afraid to face.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

So, you do admit to "Translation" errors? A step in the right direction, but, I don't think you have considered the depth of this problem. If you are prepared to go there, the errors are staggering. It took years for me to finally accept this, and I feel that a man’s integrity rests upon his admission that we don’t have all the answers, using a Book that is full of mistakes.

I believe this is why there are so many Denominations in the World. Errors keep us from unifying into a single Body of Believers; in other words, what I feel is God’s equation, is not what other people feel is God’s equation. We are all reaching for something we can’t see or prove, accept, by the use of the Bible, and there is no argument that people fight to death trying to interpret “It”.

In our “Religion”, the pulpit has been pounded with the rhetoric that the Bible is infallible, and the ignorant believe this. This means, we guard lies to protect our Tradition and fear of people that we think are talking to God. This is dangerous and misleading.

The message doesn’t remain the same if one passage says, 700 and the other says, 7000. If I conquer in a War with 700 horsemen against an army of 50,000, the story changes entirely when I accomplish this with 7000 horsemen. We also see that just one “0” can mean the difference of thousands.

This does prove that the Bible is not perfect, a fact that many Christians are afraid to face.

The question is: Do you believe Jesus died and rose from the dead?