Did Men live 900 years?

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I Chronicles 18:4 (NIV)
1 In the course of time, David defeated the Philistines and subdued them, and he took Gath and its surrounding villages from the control of the Philistines.
2 David also defeated the Moabites, and they became subject to him and brought him tribute.
3 Moreover, David defeated Hadadezer king of Zobah, in the vicinity of Hamath, when he went to set up his monument at[a] the Euphrates River.
4 David captured a thousand of his chariots, seven thousand charioteers and twenty thousand foot soldiers. He hamstrung all but a hundred of the chariot horses.

2 Sam 8:4 (NIV)
1 In the course of time, David defeated the Philistines and subdued them, and he took Metheg Ammah from the control of the Philistines.
2 David also defeated the Moabites. He made them lie down on the ground and measured them off with a length of cord. Every two lengths of them were put to death, and the third length was allowed to live. So the Moabites became subject to David and brought him tribute.
3 Moreover, David defeated Hadadezer son of Rehob, king of Zobah, when he went to restore his monument at[a] the Euphrates River.
4 David captured a thousand of his chariots, seven thousand charioteers[b] and twenty thousand foot soldiers. He hamstrung all but a hundred of the chariot horses.

The NIV has it both as 7,000. This has been discussed before, anyway. Translation errors are possible, but the message remains the same.

Do you believe Jesus died and rose from the dead?

So, you do admit to "Translation" errors? A step in the right direction, but, I don't think you have considered the depth of this problem. If you are prepared to go there, the errors are staggering. It took years for me to finally accept this, and I feel that a man’s integrity rests upon his admission that we don’t have all the answers, using a Book that is full of mistakes.

I believe this is why there are so many Denominations in the World. Errors keep us from unifying into a single Body of Believers; in other words, what I feel is God’s equation, is not what other people feel is God’s equation. We are all reaching for something we can’t see or prove, accept, by the use of the Bible, and there is no argument that people fight to death trying to interpret “It”.

In our “Religion”, the pulpit has been pounded with the rhetoric that the Bible is infallible, and the ignorant believe this. This means, we guard lies to protect our Tradition and fear of people that we think are talking to God. This is dangerous and misleading.

The message doesn’t remain the same if one passage says, 700 and the other says, 7000. If I conquer in a War with 700 horsemen against an army of 50,000, the story changes entirely when I accomplish this with 7000 horsemen. We also see that just one “0” can mean the difference of thousands.

This does prove that the Bible is not perfect, a fact that many Christians are afraid to face.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Did God command the Jews to emasculate their enemies after one specific battle? If yes, does it matter?

If yes, does it matter that the interpreters of the original King James Version thought that detail to be too graphic to translated EXACTLY as it appeared in their manuscripts?

If it does matter, how does it matter?

Does it take away from ANY of the linchpin doctrines of our faith?

Yes, it does matter. If there are errors, and I can prove there are many, then we have a moral responsibility to admit there are mistakes. We must also have the courage to admit that there is a lot we don’t know and that our judgments in the past were wrong.

Good luck getting staunch Apostolics to admit they were (are) wrong. Failing to confess our misleading dogmas of the past is what’s causing people to look elsewhere for answers.

So Jermyn, does your (Faith) Religion save people? What are your "Linchpins", and if others don’t agree with you, are they still going to be accepted by God in the end?

If you can’t answer the above question with an unwavering, solid answer, then the Bible is not clear about Faith or the realms we know nothing about. Sorry, but I feel God is far bigger than one Book that no one can agree upon.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Sorry, but I feel God is far bigger than one Book that no one can agree upon.

No need to apologize to me.

I fully accept your right to be wrong.

[forgivenson]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Lifespans began to decline post Flood. Personally, I like the Hovind explanation to this.

Ahhh hah, I had not thought of that. All that water. My original post was merely a 'what if'.....about the possibility of a 'small' earth....we just do not have 'all the facts' of 'how' God created everything, so we tend to speculate for entertaining our simple minds. But I did not think of all the water, it reminds me of the 'egg experiment'. Take 2 eggs, one raw and one hard boiled and spin them. The one that is liquid will not spin fast, the solid one spins really fast. This is how you can identify mixep up eggs in your fridge.
There is 'so much' that we just do not know about God...I just find it all very fascinating.....not knowing. What I do know for sure is that God's Creation is complexely beauitiful....and I am never bored with it or at the end of discovering all/awe His majesty. Hallelujah!

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

So, you do admit to "Translation" errors? A step in the right direction, but, I don't think you have considered the depth of this problem. If you are prepared to go there, the errors are staggering. It took years for me to finally accept this, and I feel that a man’s integrity rests upon his admission that we don’t have all the answers, using a Book that is full of mistakes.

I believe this is why there are so many Denominations in the World. Errors keep us from unifying into a single Body of Believers; in other words, what I feel is God’s equation, is not what other people feel is God’s equation. We are all reaching for something we can’t see or prove, accept, by the use of the Bible, and there is no argument that people fight to death trying to interpret “It”.

In our “Religion”, the pulpit has been pounded with the rhetoric that the Bible is infallible, and the ignorant believe this. This means, we guard lies to protect our Tradition and fear of people that we think are talking to God. This is dangerous and misleading.

The message doesn’t remain the same if one passage says, 700 and the other says, 7000. If I conquer in a War with 700 horsemen against an army of 50,000, the story changes entirely when I accomplish this with 7000 horsemen. We also see that just one “0” can mean the difference of thousands.

This does prove that the Bible is not perfect, a fact that many Christians are afraid to face.

The question is: Do you believe Jesus died and rose from the dead?

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

The question is: Do you believe Jesus died and rose from the dead?

I will answer your question when you prove that men lived 900 years. That is the focus of the Thread, dealing with Old Testament problems and errors.

I gave you a thorough rebuttal to your statement, but your response is veering completely away from the Truth presented. This is typical of those who don't have an answer to a valid question.

If you want to know the answer about Jesus Christ being raised from the dead, start another Thread.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

No need to apologize to me.

I fully accept your right to be wrong.

You haven't proven that I am wrong. This is the sad trend of every Religion; make others look wrong, without the facts.

[AreYouReady?]

I see where translation errors have been in the works for centuries. the King James Bible translates:

And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

But the Geneva 1599 Bible translates this verse as "Passover" instead of "Easter".

(Acts 12:4)And when he had caught him, he put him in prison, and deliuered him to foure quaternions of souldiers to be kept, intending after the Passeouer to bring him foorth to the people.

The errors are by man's translations...whether by design or unintentional.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I will answer your question when you prove that men lived 900 years. That is the focus of the Thread, dealing with Old Testament problems and errors.

I gave you a thorough rebuttal to your statement, but your response is veering completely away from the Truth presented. This is typical of those who don't have an answer to a valid question.

If you want to know the answer about Jesus Christ being raised from the dead, start another Thread.

This is the reason that I gave up on any reasonable conversation with NFS.
He will not answer your questions, but expects you to answer his.
NFS - come back in about 20 years and tell me how your "religion" has worked for you.
Better yet, let me know how it has worked for your children.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

This is the reason that I gave up on any reasonable conversation with NFS.
He will not answer your questions, but expects you to answer his.
NFS - come back in about 20 years and tell me how your "religion" has worked for you.
Better yet, let me know how it has worked for your children.

aegsm, first, I had no idea "you gave up on any reasonable conversation" with me; show me where I have been unreasonable.

I do ask hard questions and I'm open to honest answers. I also started this Thread with a very straight forward subject, but as you can see, people struggle with understanding the concept of 900 year old human beings.

It’s obvious you didn’t read the response(s) I’ve given; show me where I didn’t answer TGBTG’s question. I gave him a full and thorough response, without going off subject.

Also, just look at your response. You’re doing the same exact thing that TGBTG has done, by bringing me or my apparent faults into light. This has nothing to do with Old Testament problems and errors. I’ve been in this Movement a long time and I know very solid, conservative people who have watched their children walk away from Apostolic Ideals and the Oneness Faith.

We just had 2 long standing couples attend our Church, from a very prominent UPCI Assembly in another State. Between them, they have 5 adult boys. All of them no longer go to an Apostolic Church, even while the parents have never backslidden or been unfaithful to their Religion. For math purposes, both couples are batting “0”.

So, leave my children, who are all grown with their own children, out of the equation. This really has nothing to do with the current topic.