I think that the context of Ecclesiastes 7:1 is referring to the death of a righteous individual; not that the same could be said of everyone, for it is obvious that such is not the case for the "rich man" whom Jesus clearly portrayed as an unrighteous man.
I also believe that Jesus' telling of the events surrounding the fate of the unnamed rich man and a certain beggar named Lazarus, should not be construed as a depiction of a historical event but was, in fact, a parable which evidences the eventual fate of the righteous as opposed to the unrighteous. Jesus never spake openly to anyone except His chosen disciples; and seeing that in this discourse He was conversing with the Pharisees, then how could it be interpreted otherwise?
I think that the context of Ecclesiastes 7:1 is referring to the death of a righteous individual; not that the same could be said of everyone, for it is obvious that such is not the case for the "rich man" whom Jesus clearly portrayed as an unrighteous man.
I also believe that Jesus' telling of the events surrounding the fate of the unnamed rich man and a certain beggar named Lazarus, should not be construed as a depiction of a historical event but was, in fact, a parable which evidences the eventual fate of the righteous as opposed to the unrighteous. Jesus never spake openly to anyone except His chosen disciples; and seeing that in this discourse He was conversing with the Pharisees, then how could it be interpreted otherwise?
You mean, Jesus's point was that the righteous will be comfortable when they die, and not that the unrighteous will not be? And you glean this from recognizing that He was talking to Pharisees?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
You mean, Jesus's point was that the righteous will be comfortable when they die, and not that the unrighteous will not be? And you glean this from recognizing that He was talking to Pharisees?
Timmy, the words of Luke 16:14, as well as the opening portion of verse #15, explicitly advises us to whom Jesus was conversing - the Pharisees.
Jesus' parable here was foretelling of the circumstances which both the righteous as well as the unrighteous can expect to experience following the coming resurrection and judgment.... NOT that this is the condition of those who have and will die until these two future events occur.
Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Good thoughts, Lafon. Jesus was testifying against the Pharisees. They did not believe the law and the prophets concerning Christ, and they were not going to believe in Jesus after His ressurrection.
Timmy, the words of Luke 16:14, as well as the opening portion of verse #15, explicitly advises us to whom Jesus was conversing - the Pharisees.
Jesus' parable here was foretelling of the circumstances which both the righteous as well as the unrighteous can expect to experience following the coming resurrection and judgment.... NOT that this is the condition of those who have and will die until these two future events occur.
Oh. I misread your post, sorry.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Yup, sounds right; I see the actual message of the parable clearly enough.
I mainly embarked on this to expose our premises, our assumptions, here, and don't want my analogy to be taken too far; but wish to highlight that a human adult with children, at least, will experience forms of "torture" for which a quick dip in a "lake of fire" as a solution would be a...blessing? Lol, might be perceived as one, anyway...
Yup, sounds right; I see the actual message of the parable clearly enough.
I mainly embarked on this to expose our premises, our assumptions, here, and don't want my analogy to be taken too far; but wish to highlight that a human adult with children, at least, will experience forms of "torture" for which a quick dip in a "lake of fire" as a solution would be a...blessing? Lol, might be perceived as one, anyway...
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Yup, sounds right; I see the actual message of the parable clearly enough.
I mainly embarked on this to expose our premises, our assumptions, here, and don't want my analogy to be taken too far; but wish to highlight that a human adult with children, at least, will experience forms of "torture" for which a quick dip in a "lake of fire" as a solution would be a...blessing? Lol, might be perceived as one, anyway...
I understand, being the parent of 3 girls & 2 boys I have, at times, been compelled to endure their "torture" which, at the moment, I might have preferred a quick dip in a "lake of fire" instead (albeit, not really, but when confronted with such that certainly might have been considered as a possible alternative). However, having said that, just as Paul advised Timothy, it is IN THIS LIFE that we can expect persecution....
2 Timothy 3:12 "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."
I understand, being the parent of 3 girls & 2 boys I have, at times, been compelled to endure their "torture" which, at the moment, I might have preferred a quick dip in a "lake of fire" instead (albeit, not really, but when confronted with such that certainly might have been considered as a possible alternative). However, having said that, just as Paul advised Timothy, it is IN THIS LIFE that we can expect persecution....
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