Old Time Pentecost

[Jay]

Originally Posted by returnman

It is interesting what you notice in the language of Apostolics after not being around the circles for a while. You would never hear "bro. so and so's church in other church bodies from my experience. I know it is more of a point of reference but it also speaks of the culture. I guess I can understand something "life changing" after attending a series of meetings due to a certain charismatic personality, but is there really more of God there???? Not trying to put a damper on you young man, I know you are sincere.

I am going to say that of course God is not really 'more there' than anywhere else. However, I would say that with more people who have come to get in touch with God, and are coming in harmony and fellowship, we are drawn nearer to God, and by extension feel Him more than we would otherwise.

[seekerman]

I wonder if Bro Holmes' church and Bro Paul's church were similar. I really don't think so.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I wonder if Bro Holmes' church and Bro Paul's church were similar. I really don't think so.

typical strawman. show me a church anywhere in America that does . Funny you would argue against Bro Holmes' church considering he is more to the liberal side.

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by Jay

. . . people who have come to get in touch with God, and are coming in harmony and fellowship, we are drawn nearer to God, and by extension feel Him more than we would otherwise.

Good analogy!

It makes me ask the question, though. Do you think strict standards people could ever be "in harmony" with those who are not strict in standards?

I'd love to hear Bro. Epley's response on this question, too.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

Good analogy!

It makes me ask the question, though. Do you think strict standards people could ever be "in harmony" with those who are not strict in standards?

I'd love to hear Bro. Epley's response on this question, too.

Not without some kind of intervention, lol.

There are individuals within each side who can, but the majority with always have a preconceved opion of the other. The WPF will judge the UPCI and the UPCI will believe the WPF are too strict. The UPC that went WPF down the street will not even fellowship (not even out of church) with us because "we don't preach the truth". And likewise there are some in our church that has reservations about the liberal pentecostal church in town that used to be UPC.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

Good analogy!

It makes me ask the question, though. Do you think strict standards people could ever be "in harmony" with those who are not strict in standards?

I'd love to hear Bro. Epley's response on this question, too.

Sure. We did for a number of years until the liberals started shoving immodest apparel at conferences (especially those with young people), having 'modeling' contests, having boys attire themselves with women's hose and shoes and run around the sanctuary, openly advocating television and movies, music that was increasingly worldly for worship, etc. At that point, something had to be done. Up until that point, it was sleeves, rings, and splits. And we managed to get along with one another for the most part just fine.

Originally Posted by scotty

Not without some kind of intervention, lol.

There are individuals within each side who can, but the majority with always have a preconceved opion of the other. The WPF will judge the UPCI and the UPCI will believe the WPF are too strict. The UPC that went WPF down the street will not even fellowship (not even out of church) with us because "we don't preach the truth". And likewise there are some in our church that has reservations about the liberal pentecostal church in town that used to be UPC.

I believe you statement is more accurate with the UPCI's opinion of the WPF. I have heard many times people in the WPF say that there are many good men left in the UPC. We can no longer walk in the same organization because of where it is going.

Bro. Booker still has UPCI preachers preach for him, as well as independent preachers. My father has preached for men in the UPC, WPF, and independents. I have attended UPCI sponsored events. I have even visited UPCI churches. This is not a new thing, and will continue to be done where ever we may find brethren to fellowship with.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Jay

Sure. We did for a number of years until the liberals started shoving immodest apparel at conferences (especially those with young people), having 'modeling' contests, having boys attire themselves with women's hose and shoes and run around the sanctuary, openly advocating television and movies, music that was increasingly worldly for worship, etc. At that point, something had to be done. Up until that point, it was sleeves, rings, and splits. And we managed to get along with one another for the most part just fine.



I believe you statement is more accurate with the UPCI's opinion of the WPF. I have heard many times people in the WPF say that there are many good men left in the UPC. We can no longer walk in the same organization because of where it is going.

Bro. Booker still has UPCI preachers preach for him, as well as independent preachers. My father has preached for men in the UPC, WPF, and independents. I have attended UPCI sponsored events. I have even visited UPCI churches. This is not a new thing, and will continue to be done where ever we may find brethren to fellowship with.

Wish this were true here, my daughters and a couple of friends went to a UPC event and all of them recieved the Holy ghost and were baptized in Jesus name there. when they returned one friend of 6 years went to a WPF church down the street by invitation. Now, 1year later, she tells my daughters they are not saved because they "talk" to other kids in school who are not in church. We have invited her to come to a function, youth rally , or any service (since their service is not the same time as ours). Her answer is always the same, 'Your church does not preach the truth".

Its sad really. and Im not sure it will ever be repaired.

[The Matt]

Originally Posted by scotty

Wish this were true here, my daughters and a couple of friends went to a UPC event and all of them recieved the Holy ghost and were baptized in Jesus name there. when they returned one friend of 6 years went to a WPF church down the street by invitation. Now, 1year later, she tells my daughters they are not saved because they "talk" to other kids in school who are not in church. We have invited her to come to a function, youth rally , or any service (since their service is not the same time as ours). Her answer is always the same, 'Your church does not preach the truth".

Its sad really. and Im not sure it will ever be repaired.

That is so wrong. How would she expect otherwise for your kids to learn how to interact with people outside the church?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by The Matt

That is so wrong. How would she expect otherwise for your kids to learn how to interact with people outside the church?

According to my daughter, she only interacts with other kids who go to her church. Other than the occasional "Hi" in passing, she does not "hang out" , or "eat with", or "get into conversation with" other kids. She will invite them to church, if they come they come, if they don't they don't. When they say "seperate from the world" , thats exactly what it means.

It is strange though. They have one or two who do come occasionally, but its like, they are the only ones allowed to come because they are less likely to be turned to the dark side. lol.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by scotty

Wish this were true here, my daughters and a couple of friends went to a UPC event and all of them recieved the Holy ghost and were baptized in Jesus name there. when they returned one friend of 6 years went to a WPF church down the street by invitation. Now, 1year later, she tells my daughters they are not saved because they "talk" to other kids in school who are not in church. We have invited her to come to a function, youth rally , or any service (since their service is not the same time as ours). Her answer is always the same, 'Your church does not preach the truth".

Its sad really. and Im not sure it will ever be repaired.

I suppose that not all WPF churches are going to be the same. However, I know of a pastor who taught that the only time his saints were to have anything to do with sinners was during outreach. Otherwise you did not have any more to do with them than necessary. I have never understood how you have revival with that type of an attitude. Sadly his grandson, my cousin, is not in the church today, and it is largely due to that type of an attitude about many things.

You sound like you belong to a fairly conservative congregation though. How is it that this church does not feel like yours no longer preaches the truth?