Old Time Pentecost

[The Matt]

Originally Posted by scotty

Wish this were true here, my daughters and a couple of friends went to a UPC event and all of them recieved the Holy ghost and were baptized in Jesus name there. when they returned one friend of 6 years went to a WPF church down the street by invitation. Now, 1year later, she tells my daughters they are not saved because they "talk" to other kids in school who are not in church. We have invited her to come to a function, youth rally , or any service (since their service is not the same time as ours). Her answer is always the same, 'Your church does not preach the truth".

Its sad really. and Im not sure it will ever be repaired.

That is so wrong. How would she expect otherwise for your kids to learn how to interact with people outside the church?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by The Matt

That is so wrong. How would she expect otherwise for your kids to learn how to interact with people outside the church?

According to my daughter, she only interacts with other kids who go to her church. Other than the occasional "Hi" in passing, she does not "hang out" , or "eat with", or "get into conversation with" other kids. She will invite them to church, if they come they come, if they don't they don't. When they say "seperate from the world" , thats exactly what it means.

It is strange though. They have one or two who do come occasionally, but its like, they are the only ones allowed to come because they are less likely to be turned to the dark side. lol.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by scotty

According to my daughter, she only interacts with other kids who go to her church. Other than the occasional "Hi" in passing, she does not "hang out" , or "eat with", or "get into conversation with" other kids. She will invite them to church, if they come they come, if they don't they don't. When they say "seperate from the world" , thats exactly what it means.

It is strange though. They have one or two who do come occasionally, but its like, they are the only ones allowed to come because they are less likely to be turned to the dark side. lol.

And how do you prepare a group of people to accept this kind of teaching and kids to follow these principles even when they are at school and no one is looking? With the teachings they have been indoctrinated with for generations... The teachings that say that the man of God is somehow closer to God then the rest, that he hears from God in ways that others don't. That anyone who does not conform is bad or even dangerous... You know, the the doctrines espoused in 'Old Time Pentecost'.

But when a pastor evolves into what this doctrine tells him he is, someone who has the right to control others, and so he sets a 'stronger' set of standards in place and takes over the minds of these people who have been trained and previously conditioned to blindly obey and makes them 'his' people, setting them on a course that you believe is too rigid you cry foul. Too funny!

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

And how do you prepare a group of people to accept this kind of teaching and kids to follow these principles even when they are at school and no one is looking? With the teachings they have been indoctrinated with for generations... The teachings that say that the man of God is somehow closer to God then the rest, that he hears from God in ways that others don't. You know, the the doctrines espoused in 'Old Time Pentecost'.

LOL, you show them scripture. Lets see, the "man of God" is closer than the rest?? Really ? You don't believe that ? Everyone in the world is equally close to God ? Interesting, not biblical, but interesting. The "man of God" hears from God in ways others don't. Yes thats scriptural too. Now, if your referring to "the man of God" as a pastor, then I don't know. I am referring to the "man of God" as any individual follower of Christ. Which is exactly as it should be.

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

But when a pastor evolves into what this doctrine tells him he is, someone who has the right to control others, and so he sets a 'stronger' set of standards in place and takes over the minds of these people who have been trained and previously conditioned to blindly obey and makes them 'his' people, setting them on a course that you believe is too rigid you cry foul. Too funny!

Sounds like you have had a terrible experience. Almost sounds like a good horror book, lol. Sorry you didn't get out of it sooner. But of course that's the motherships fault.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by scotty

LOL, you show them scripture. Lets see, the "man of God" is closer than the rest?? Really ? You don't believe that ? Everyone in the world is equally close to God ? Interesting, not biblical, but interesting. The "man of God" hears from God in ways others don't. Yes thats scriptural too. Now, if your referring to "the man of God" as a pastor, then I don't know. I am referring to the "man of God" as any individual follower of Christ. Which is exactly as it should be.
Sounds like you have had a terrible experience. Almost sounds like a good horror book, lol. Sorry you didn't get out of it sooner. But of course that's the motherships fault.

I don't get the frequent references to the 'mothership'... sounds like maybe you've been smokin' somethin'... KWIM? ...Sure you do...

By 'man of God' I mean it in exactly the same sense it has been used by every preacher and evangelist I have heard say it in the last decade... and that is NOT every believer in Christ and you know it... but hey if you want to make up your own definitions that only you understand go ahead, I'm all good with it.

I think I had an average experience, nothing particularity horrible although it was horrible. Judging from what others who have gotten out have said my experience was certainly not the worst I've heard of, there were even some good parts . It was always 'seek after God with all your heart and soul' from the pulpit... right up until that seeking put me one step off the preached path... 'Get out of your comfort zone and do something for God' right up 'till I got out of the preachers comfort zone by giving my tithe check to a widow to help bury her husband.

At least I can still consider going to church unlike my poor neighbor Peggy who was so shaken by what went on in her experience she swears that she will never go past the doorway of another church again. She was a new convert that had no previous church experience... I am thankful for my years in the Baptist church where there was a church government and accountability and not a dictator or mini-Pope who ruled with an iron fist while preaching about the good ol' brush arbor days of 24 straight hours of HG filled tongue talking... You've heard enough... no I can't love what it stands for anymore... and I don't wax nostalgic for it.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

At least I can still consider going to church unlike my poor neighbor Peggy who was so shaken by what went on in her experience she swears that she will never go past the doorway of another church again. She was a new convert that had no previous church experience... I am thankful for my years in the Baptist church where there was a church government and accountability and not a dictator or mini-Pope who ruled with an iron fist while preaching about the good ol' brush arbor days of 24 straight hours of HG filled tongue talking... You've heard enough... no I can't love what it stands for anymore... and I don't wax nostalgic for it.

They talk about the good ol brush arbor days...yet they are the ones who took pentecost out of "those days" by wanting to be like every other church and some got greedy doing it too.

One pastor had big plans of landscaping around the church with a waterfall. This same pastor was really ugly and yelled at my husband for stepping on the grass.
Boy...that grass was so important.

[PASTOR'S WIFE]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

They talk about the good ol brush arbor days...yet they are the ones who took pentecost out of "those days" by wanting to be like every other church and some got greedy doing it too.

One pastor had big plans of landscaping around the church with a waterfall. This same pastor was really ugly and yelled at my husband for stepping on the grass.
Boy...that grass was so important.

PLease don't let the devil keep you out of church. That is his job... If you can't find a church of your denomination, find another Holy Ghost filled church and go to it. Nothing is worth keeping us out of Heaven.

Release it and let it go. That is hard but you do it for yourself and your family. It doesn't mean the other person or church is right, just means you are casting ALL your care upon Him for He careth for you. BITTERNESS is a strong hold and it will devour all your waking moments. It will rob you of your peace and joy and trust in people. I love Philippians chapter 4 and it has helped me so many times. REJOICE and again I say REJOICE. The chapter tells us what to think on.

BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND BOUGHT THE T-SHIRT...

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I don't get the frequent references to the 'mothership'... sounds like maybe you've been smokin' somethin'... KWIM? ...Sure you do...

By 'man of God' I mean it in exactly the same sense it has been used by every preacher and evangelist I have heard say it in the last decade... and that is NOT every believer in Christ and you know it... but hey if you want to make up your own definitions that only you understand go ahead, I'm all good with it.

I think I had an average experience, nothing particularity horrible although it was horrible. Judging from what others who have gotten out have said my experience was certainly not the worst I've heard of, there were even some good parts . It was always 'seek after God with all your heart and soul' from the pulpit... right up until that seeking put me one step off the preached path... 'Get out of your comfort zone and do something for God' right up 'till I got out of the preachers comfort zone by giving my tithe check to a widow to help bury her husband.

At least I can still consider going to church unlike my poor neighbor Peggy who was so shaken by what went on in her experience she swears that she will never go past the doorway of another church again. She was a new convert that had no previous church experience... I am thankful for my years in the Baptist church where there was a church government and accountability and not a dictator or mini-Pope who ruled with an iron fist while preaching about the good ol' brush arbor days of 24 straight hours of HG filled tongue talking... You've heard enough... no I can't love what it stands for anymore... and I don't wax nostalgic for it.

Oh please ! drop the backwoods act. Your smarter than you let on in some post then suddenly "out of touch" in others ??, lol. Really ?

Don't like your pastor, pray for him. Don't like your congregation, pray for them. Can't handle that, leave, which you did. So what is all the spillin milk about ? Yes, all this gets old, same ole same ole. Who knows, maybe they didn't like you either. Maybe there was something about you that they saw from the beginning. Maybe they saw right through all your service to the church when suddenly you had "ideas" to make things better. I love those types, come in and do so much for the church they suddenly think it gives them some kind of "shareholder" rights to direct it. yeah, we got one of those right now. Love her to death, but what a hypocrit.

Either way, you got rid of them or they got rid of you. everyone should be happy now , so why you here ? oh yeah, AA. lol.


(Sorry, Hoovie, just couldn't balance this one. Let all the boo hoo dramatics get to me this time)

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by scotty

Oh please ! drop the backwoods act. Your smarter than you let on in some post then suddenly "out of touch" in others ??, lol. Really ?

Don't like your pastor, pray for him. Don't like your congregation, pray for them. Can't handle that, leave, which you did. So what is all the spillin milk about ? Yes, all this gets old, same ole same ole. Who knows, maybe they didn't like you either. Maybe there was something about you that they saw from the beginning. Maybe they saw right through all your service to the church when suddenly you had "ideas" to make things better. I love those types, come in and do so much for the church they suddenly think it gives them some kind of "shareholder" rights to direct it. yeah, we got one of those right now. Love her to death, but what a hypocrit.

Either way, you got rid of them or they got rid of you. everyone should be happy now , so why you here ? oh yeah, AA. lol.


(Sorry, Hoovie, just couldn't balance this one. Let all the boo hoo dramatics get to me this time)

Scotty, I want to assure you that she is not lying when she is speaking about all the things that went on at her church. I believe you have a wonderful church fellowship to belong to, and perhaps you can't fathom this being the case, but it is true. In the area of Texas where she lives, with a UPC church on almost every street corner, and in every backwoods town, the stuff that goes on would blow your mind, and she probably hasn't even said the half of it.

It sometimes takes a while for those wounds to heal, and to move on, and a place like AFF is where healing can take place... where you see you are not the only one.

I am not saying or encouraging anyone to stop looking for a place to call their home church where the Spirit moves, and people are sincerely loving God. I am reminded of Elijah after he called down fire on the prophets of Bael, and then he went and sat down, and felt sorry for himself, feeling like he was all alone, and God told him that he still had seven thousand who hadn't bowed their knee.

Sometimes you feel you are all alone, in your situation, and it is places like AFF that help you understand there is hope. There are other people suffering too. And there are other people who are continuing on in the faith, despite difficult circumstances.

Until you have walked in someone's shoes, don't judge them. That is the way of Jesus, and not the way of man.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by scotty

Oh please ! drop the backwoods act. Your smarter than you let on in some post then suddenly "out of touch" in others ??, lol. Really ?

Don't like your pastor, pray for him. Don't like your congregation, pray for them. Can't handle that, leave, which you did. So what is all the spillin milk about ? Yes, all this gets old, same ole same ole. Who knows, maybe they didn't like you either. Maybe there was something about you that they saw from the beginning. Maybe they saw right through all your service to the church when suddenly you had "ideas" to make things better. I love those types, come in and do so much for the church they suddenly think it gives them some kind of "shareholder" rights to direct it. yeah, we got one of those right now. Love her to death, but what a hypocrit.

Either way, you got rid of them or they got rid of you. everyone should be happy now , so why you here ? oh yeah, AA. lol.


(Sorry, Hoovie, just couldn't balance this one. Let all the boo hoo dramatics get to me this time)

Really Scotty, it's not about what I want or what they want...it is about what God wants.

So far you have managed to call me backwoods, whiney, hipocrit and a couple of other names a few pages back... Typical of OPs, from what I've seen... If you do not agree, you just write the person off by classifing them as unworthy of your time in your own mind and then try to bring others into agreement with you. I kept my opinions to myself right up to and out the door of my church because I did not expect them to change anything. Some people don't even yet realizze I'm gone as evidenced by a text this morning asking me to help with a current fundraiser (and I probably will since it's something easy for me to do). I am not discussing a person or persons... I've already admitted that I have found some wonderful people in the Pentecostal movement. I AM talking about a system that inserts itself between man and God... That while it claims to direct people to God and connect people with God actually pushes more people away. I am not thinking that what I think or feel or believe will have any impact on such a deeply entrenched system and so no I'm not that person you are describing.

It was interesting to me when doing street ministry how many people had 'Pentecostal backgrounds' but found that they could not fit into the stereotype of an Apostolic. There has to be somewhere for those people besides hell which is where traditional OP churches preach they are all headed.

I've not called you names but I will say your VIEW of God appears very shallow.