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Old 03-20-2012, 11:49 AM
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Re: Why don't we see healings?

It should be noted that Paul suffered what is said to be vision problems for the rest of his life, and was not healed in Scripture. More notably, this story is included in Scripture for a witness. You could hardly question his faith, and yet he was not healed.
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:51 AM
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It should be noted that Paul suffered what is said to be vision problems for the rest of his life, and was not healed in Scripture. More notably, this story is included in Scripture for a witness. You could hardly question his faith, and yet he was not healed.
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:54 AM
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It should be noted that Paul suffered what is said to be vision problems for the rest of his life, and was not healed in Scripture. More notably, this story is included in Scripture for a witness. You could hardly question his faith, and yet he was not healed.

Which I would claim supports my position of being willing to suffer.
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Which I would claim supports my position of being willing to suffer.
That position was about how to see healings. "The key to receiving a healing or miracle is to be willing to suffer illness, injury, death, deprivation, uncertainty, and rely totally on God to see you out." It didn't work for Paul. Does it work for anyone? Essentially, what your "position" says is that if you want something to happen, don't want it to happen! Be willing to suffer, if you want your suffering to stop.
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Which I would claim supports my position of being willing to suffer.
Yup, he was apparently unshaken faith-wise, and his reply, and that given to Job, seems to cover the issue pretty well, imo.
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Old 03-20-2012, 12:24 PM
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Re: Why don't we see healings?

I certainly don't want to over spirituallize this, God forbid, lol. But the fact is that there are no recipes, or checklists, or secret formulas to MANIPULATE God into giving us what we want, even a maybe what we think we need, especially in form of healing.

Do I believe that healing is in the covenant atonement of Calvary? Yes. Do I believe that God wants us to all be free from the curse, even in our bodily health? Absolutely.

But God is a God of balance, and those attributes of Him must also be weighed out in balance to the fact that He's also not held to time, or this temporal place to provide a healing. It may come through setting someone free from this flesh and allowing them to come to be with Him. God doesn't deal in matters of Time, but in matters of Timing.

Also, God has a bigger plan, that many times I can't see. He has a greater purpose.

And if we are the vessels that we say we are... and we're so yielded to Him that He can fill us with His Spirit so that we can speak in a language that we've never been taught... then God help us to be yielded enough to allow all of His plan to be played out in our lives.

We've been told to be sheep, not shephards. Followers, not the One directing the path. And shouldn't more time be spent in seeking the Healer than the Healing anyway?

Because if we get more of the Healer, then the healing just doesn't seem as important... or at least not for me it doesn't. I want more of the Blesser, not the blessing.
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It should be noted that Paul suffered what is said to be vision problems for the rest of his life, and was not healed in Scripture. More notably, this story is included in Scripture for a witness. You could hardly question his faith, and yet he was not healed.

"What is said to be......". We don't know that for sure.
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It should be noted that Paul suffered what is said to be vision problems for the rest of his life, and was not healed in Scripture. More notably, this story is included in Scripture for a witness. You could hardly question his faith, and yet he was not healed.

Where is it found written in the Scriptures, explicitly asserting that Paul "suffered what is said to be vision problems for the rest of his life, and was not healed"? Is this conclusion not an "assumption" on your part rather than a factual statement of the Scriptures?
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Where is it found written in the Scriptures, explicitly asserting that Paul "suffered what is said to be vision problems for the rest of his life, and was not healed"? Is this conclusion not an "assumption" on your part rather than a factual statement of the Scriptures?
Yes, from a commentary. We don't know it was vision problems, I guess? I posted it because we know Paul had a "thorn" that he was trying to get healed of, and didn't? And he was obviously a man of faith, so it seemed a valid reflection here.

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Lazarus had no faith, he was dead.
I'm not convinced that the one follows the other, but good point, anyway.
And I like your approach to healing in general; great testimony.
Many of these "healing" stories in Scripture might more correctly be faith stories, like Paul's seems to be...
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Re: Why don't we see healings?

A big misconception is Paul was sickly. That is erroneous. If he had poor eyesight, do you think Timothy would allow Paul to circumcise him? I know if that were me, I'd make sure the surgeon would be able to see where to put the knife.

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