....also, in Genesis, God never once said 'how big' either the earth or the heavens were at 'the beginning'. We have some weird stuff in our world that really makes no sense...just simple things like the 'ratio' of a bicycle wheel. Have you ever really 'observed' how the hub stays in one place but rotates.....while the tire is going really fast? Why dosen't it tear itself apart? For some reason...it all works.
....also, in Genesis, God never once said 'how big' either the earth or the heavens were at 'the beginning'. We have some weird stuff in our world that really makes no sense...just simple things like the 'ratio' of a bicycle wheel. Have you ever really 'observed' how the hub stays in one place but rotates.....while the tire is going really fast? Why dosen't it tear itself apart? For some reason...it all works.
I've heard better conundrums. This one's not that hard. Yes, there are forces in a spinning tire that are "trying" to tear the it apart, but the wheel simply is strong enough not to break. (Usually! )
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....also, in Genesis, God never once said 'how big' either the earth or the heavens were at 'the beginning'.
Actually, Genesis describes how God created things in a way the boggles the mind. I'm a bit of a fanatic about creation and a bit of a hater on the big bang.
Here's the thing about creation according to the Word - everything that God created was created fully developed and mature (trees already able to bear fruit, adult animals able to produce offspring, sun-moon-stars already giving light). God created a mature universe that was "mid-stride" at the point of creation and continues as He created it.
In the big-bang, all of mass was chaotically spewed from a central point. It just happened that concentrations of chaotic mass gathered together and formed the astronomical bodies (some formed stars, other bits formed planets, still others formed moons, asteroids, etc.). And yet, although they "formed" from many scattered bits, they "behaved" considerably differently then you would expect. As they gathered together into form, they continued to move away from their central point of origin, instead of becoming stationary objects. Other objects began to revolve around other objects. And from chaos, an intricate and precise mechanism was formed...that was still moving uniformly away from a central point...and still behaving with precision. And scientists have the gall to call us ignorant.
Actually, Genesis describes how God created things in a way the boggles the mind. I'm a bit of a fanatic about creation and a bit of a hater on the big bang.
Here's the thing about creation according to the Word - everything that God created was created fully developed and mature (trees already able to bear fruit, adult animals able to produce offspring, sun-moon-stars already giving light). God created a mature universe that was "mid-stride" at the point of creation and continues as He created it.
In the big-bang, all of mass was chaotically spewed from a central point. It just happened that concentrations of chaotic mass gathered together and formed the astronomical bodies (some formed stars, other bits formed planets, still others formed moons, asteroids, etc.). And yet, although they "formed" from many scattered bits, they "behaved" considerably differently then you would expect. As they gathered together into form, they continued to move away from their central point of origin, instead of becoming stationary objects. Other objects began to revolve around other objects. And from chaos, an intricate and precise mechanism was formed...that was still moving uniformly away from a central point...and still behaving with precision. And scientists have the gall to call us ignorant.
So your God is a Loki god (god of lies)? All this false history of things that never actually happened. Stars that went Nova where there is the evidence of the explosion but never an actual explosion sort of like creating the cloud from an exploding stick of dynamite without there ever having been the dynamite? Light that took billions of years to get here -even being bent by traveling around other stars (called 'gravity lensing') in the process, but apparently only made to LOOK like it took a long time to get here.
Messier 9 star cloud formation 25 thousand light years from Earth showing over 250,000 stars (and yes, it took the light that long to get here). If our own solar system was there we would be baked from the massive amount of solar radiation present, and yet in a "Young Earth" Universe it wouldn't matter. In an OLD Universe it does, which is why God chose THIS location for our planet and not one more central to our Galaxy.
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So your God is a Loki god (god of lies)? All this false history of things that never actually happened.
Loki...really? Seriously...the God of the Bible is a god of lies? I'm not sure what "history" you're referring to unless it's the history that godless scientists want you to believe that never existed. Nothing discovered in nature precludes a Young Earth (oh, btw, I'm a rabid young Earther).
Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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Light that took billions of years to get here -even being bent by traveling around other stars (called 'gravity lensing') in the process, but apparently only made to LOOK like it took a long time to get here.
None of the animals began life as newborns (or any other pre-form). None of the astronomical bodies were created as swirling, gaseous, forming objects slowly coming together. The Genesis account of creation depicts God creating things in the mature forms over a 6 day period (very quickly). When you begin to mix "billions of years" into the discuss, then you have given credence to the lie that God influenced a process instead of speaking things into existence.
Messier 9 star cloud formation 25 thousand light years from Earth showing over 250,000 stars (and yes, it took the light that long to get here). If our own solar system was there we would be baked from the massive amount of solar radiation present, and yet in a "Young Earth" Universe it wouldn't matter. In an OLD Universe it does, which is why God chose THIS location for our planet and not one more central to our Galaxy.
That's a very impressive picture; unfortunately either science's description is wrong or the Genesis account is wrong.
The Earth was created on Day 2:
Genesis 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
The stars and other celestial lights were created on Day 3:
Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
I suppose this brings us to a very important decision point: if the Messier 9 star cloud formation is indeed capable of toasting the Earth, but the Bible says that the stars were formed after the Earth, then we must conclude that either the Bible is wrong about creation (what happened on which day) or science is wrong in their observation and conclusion about Messier 9.
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