My God. Nothing would be broken or dead at all if Zimmerman had not taken it upon himself to harass another American who was not bothering him. I just do not believe what I am reading here. I just don't understand your reasoning here at all. He says "they always get away" then "(expletive) he's running". This man pursued a kid for no reason and ended up killing him.
The amazing thing to me is that you find it absolutely impossible that the boy pursued in this scenario could have broken Zimmerman's nose in self-defense, but completely logical that the pursuer would take his life in self defense. (That's assuming his nose is broken, the fact that the boy is dead is unfortunately not debatable)
Since you're doing background checks, have you read the prior violent arrests that Zimmerman has?
Tstew, I have not heard anyone denying that Zim followed Martin. That's not in question.
What you need to show is that he continued following after he conceded with dispatch. And then you will need to prove that Zim was not attacked while returning to his car, and beaten while Zimmerman called for help, as witnesses testified.
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Tstew, I have not heard anyone denying that Zim followed Martin. That's not in question.
What you need to show is that he continued following after he conceded with dispatch. And then you will need to prove that Zim was not attacked while returning to his car, and beaten while Zimmerman called for help, as witnesses testified.
That would be the point in the issue, Hoovie. The ones that are trying to hang Zimmerman, the ball is in their court. I don't have a problem changing my view of the altercation, but I need to have proof to do that. We don't, as yet, have that. It's just speculation. We do, however, have a police report.
That would be the point in the issue, Hoovie. The ones that are trying to hang Zimmerman, the ball is in their court. I don't have a problem changing my view of the altercation, but I need to have proof to do that. We don't, as yet, have that. It's just speculation. We do, however, have a police report.
Out of curiosity, if this confrontation occurred any significant distance from the truck, would that change your view of the altercation?
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Out of curiosity, if this confrontation occurred any significant distance from the truck, would that change your view of the altercation?
Yes it could. If the time lapse could be determined properly and you could tell how far they ran in those seconds etc. it could (and will I presume) make a difference.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
No. Whoever threw the first punch is the aggressor.
True. But the timeline will be an important part of the story's veracity or weakness.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Tstew, I have not heard anyone denying that Zim followed Martin. That's not in question.
What you need to show is that he continued following after he conceded with dispatch. And then you will need to prove that Zim was not attacked while returning to his car, and beaten while Zimmerman called for help, as witnesses testified.
What I'm saying up front is that I don't see how anybody can pursue anybody for no reason...then claim self-defense. When he said "(blank) he's running". You hear him get out of his car then. When dispatch tries to arrange for the meeting point (his truck) he is very clear that the police should call him to find out where he is whenever they got there. I am pretty sure that the confrontation did not happen outside of his truck...but if it did, I guess that will be a part of his defense.
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What I'm saying up front is that I don't see how anybody can pursue anybody for no reason...then claim self-defense. When he said "(blank) he's running". You hear him get out of his car then. When dispatch tries to arrange for the meeting point (his truck) he is very clear that the police should call him to find out where he is whenever they got there. I am pretty sure that the confrontation did not happen outside of his truck...but if it did, I guess that will be a part of his defense.
Why would he be running if he didn't feel like a guilty person? That just raises suspicion.
Why would he be running if he didn't feel like a guilty person? That just raises suspicion.
So what is your advice for the black kid that gets followed by the Zimmermans?
Stand your ground? You might end up in a fight and dead.
Run away from this unofficial man who is following you? You might end up pursued and dead.
Seriously, you seem so determined to make his death his fault. What do you want him to do. At the beginning of the 911 call, Zimmerman said he eventually started looking at him following him and was coming his way, then he ran away and Zimmerman got out to give chase. What would you have him do?
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