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[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

This begs the question: If it was Trayvon screaming and not Zimmerman, AND it has been previously reported that Trayvon didn't have any signs of a scuffle on his body, why was he yelling for help?

That's what I would be asking. The Coroner said that there was no signs of a struggle on Trayvon's body except for the gunshot wound. So, yes, why would he be screaming?

[canam]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

That's what I would be asking. The Coroner said that there was no signs of a struggle on Trayvon's body except for the gunshot wound. So, yes, why would he be screaming?

Doesnt matter what the investigation reveals ,it could be cold hard facts of zim's innocence and they will all be hollering the fix is in and they will riot immediatley, its what a large segment of the black population lives for !!!Same as sports fans a lot of em could care less who wins or loses they just wanna riot ala vancouver in the stanley cup finals

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by canam

Doesnt matter what the investigation reveals ,it could be cold hard facts of zim's innocence and they will all be hollering the fix is in and they will riot immediatley, its what a large segment of the black population lives for !!!Same as sports fans a lot of em could care less who wins or loses they just wanna riot ala vancouver in the stanley cup finals

How will it possibly help Zimmerman's case if it can be shown that Trayvon was the one yelling for help?

If Trayvon has no signs of a scuffle (including offensive wounds), wouldn't that point to some other cause of Zimmerman's injuries? Such as injuring himself to make it look like there was a just cause for him to kill someone?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

How will it possibly help Zimmerman's case if it can be shown that Trayvon was the one yelling for help?

If Trayvon has no signs of a scuffle (including offensive wounds), wouldn't that point to some other cause of Zimmerman's injuries? Such as injuring himself to make it look like there was a just cause for him to kill someone?

Except there was an eye witness to corroborate Zimmerman's story. You been talking to Shelia Jackson Lee?

I have no problem changing my view on this case if I am given more substantial evidence. If Zimmerman followed this boy with intent to harm, he needs to be prosecuted. If Trayvon instigated the attack, he paid for it already.

The reality is that even if Zimmerman were proven not guilty, his life is ruined and someone will end up killing him. He will always fear for his life. Thanks, especially, to Al Sharpton, The Black Panthers, et al. The race baiters who will not let it go and do their own people no justice at all.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Except there was an eye witness to corroborate Zimmerman's story. You been talking to Shelia Jackson Lee?

Actually, I haven't watched ANY newscasts about the Trayvon case (we got rid of our satellite TV), other than online snippets, and I've listened to limited radio talk shows. Most of my opinions have been based on what I've dug up on my own and read on this thread. I don't even know who Sheila Jackson Lee is.

I have no problem changing my view on this case if I am given more substantial evidence. If Zimmerman followed this boy with intent to harm, he needs to be prosecuted. If Trayvon instigated the attack, he paid for it already.

The reality is that even if Zimmerman were proven not guilty, his life is ruined and someone will end up killing him. He will always fear for his life. Thanks, especially, to Al Sharpton, The Black Panthers, et al. The race baiters who will not let it go and do their own people no justice at all.

I agree with the last part, and it's a worthy discussion, but I think where it fails in this case is that the actions of Al Sharpton, the Black Panthers and others have NO BEARING upon Zimmerman's actual guilt or innocence. While we can discuss it, IMO focusing on the bias of the MSM and on the purposeful provocation by members of the black community obfuscates the facts of the case and blinds people to looking at the facts. (In the same way that members of the black community are blinded by their focus on this being a hate crime.)

What I care about is: was Zimmerman's life threatened or not, and was he justified in shooting an unarmed teenage boy--one who he had been admonished to stop following. He acted on very lame suspicions. That much is clear from his 911 call. Further, I find it interesting that in his call (from the full audio) that he states that Trayvon is coming towards him and then comments about how *they* always get away. Trayvon saw him and took off running. Right? Doesn't sound like a confrontational kid to me. Sounds like he wanted to get away from Zimmerman; not attack him.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Actually, I haven't watched ANY newscasts about the Trayvon case (we got rid of our satellite TV), other than online snippets, and I've listened to limited radio talk shows. Most of my opinions have been based on what I've dug up on my own and read on this thread. I don't even know who Sheila Jackson Lee is.

Google her, you will have a ball with it. LOL!

I agree with the last part, and it's a worthy discussion, but I think where it fails in this case is that the actions of Al Sharpton, the Black Panthers and others have NO BEARING upon Zimmerman's actual guilt or innocence. While we can discuss it, IMO focusing on the bias of the MSM and on the purposeful provocation by members of the black community obfuscates the facts of the case and blinds people to looking at the facts. (In the same way that members of the black community are blinded by their focus on this being a hate crime.)

It doesn't have anything to do with the actual case, but it has a whole lot to do with the racial narrative. I do care about that.

What I care about is: was Zimmerman's life threatened or not, and was he justified in shooting an unarmed teenage boy--one who he had been admonished to stop following. He acted on very lame suspicions. That much is clear from his 911 call. Further, I find it interesting that in his call (from the full audio) that he states that Trayvon is coming towards him and then comments about how *they* always get away. Trayvon saw him and took off running. Right? Doesn't sound like a confrontational kid to me. Sounds like he wanted to get away from Zimmerman; not attack him.

You don't know what the visual looked like, so you can't really make the claim that it was a "lame suspicion".

If he was coming toward him and then turned to run, I would want to know why he would act in that way, if in fact, it happened as Zimmerman states it did. And if he did run, as a neighborhood watch, I think I would want to know where he ran off to. If he says, "They always get away", I could see why he followed him. He doesn't want any more robberies in his neighborhood and wants to alert the police as to the boy's direction. If Trayvon was there to commit a crime, it may warrant why he ran. Of course, conjecture, but an attorney will present the same questions.

I think we are all just asking a few questions along the way. I am not claiming Zimmerman is innocent. I would just need more substantial evidence in order to hang the man. If I have to rule in a life or death case and it is my decision to make, I would want more details and none of us really have it. It's a 50/50 from my view without more evidence.

I don't have high hopes this case will be solved. I've been in a court room where the Prosecuting attorney asked the witness, "If you saw pictures, would you believe it?" He responded, "No." lol! That is what this case will more than likely turn out to be.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Google her, you will have a ball with it. LOL!


It doesn't have anything to do with the actual case, but it has a whole lot to do with the racial narrative. I do care about that.



You don't know what the visual looked like, so you can't really make the claim that it was a "lame suspicion".

If he was coming toward him and then turned to run, I would want to know why he would act in that way, if in fact, it happened as Zimmerman states it did. And if he did run, as a neighborhood watch, I think I would want to know where he ran off to. If he says, "They always get away", I could see why he followed him. He doesn't want any more robberies in his neighborhood and wants to alert the police as to the boy's direction. If Trayvon was there to commit a crime, it may warrant why he ran. Of course, conjecture, but an attorney will present the same questions.

I think we are all just asking a few questions along the way. I am not claiming Zimmerman is innocent. I would just need more substantial evidence in order to hang the man. If I have to rule in a life or death case and it is my decision to make, I would want more details and none of us really have it. It's a 50/50 from my view without more evidence.

I don't have high hopes this case will be solved. I've been in a court room where the Prosecuting attorney asked the witness, "If you saw pictures, would you believe it?" He responded, "No." lol! That is what this case will more than likely turn out to be.

You're right. This will probably end up being unsatisfactory for a lot of people, because not all the questions CAN be answered absolutely.

None of us can really make absolute judgment calls until all the facts are out, which could take months. For me right now the evidence leans toward Zimmerman being over-zealous and shooting an unarmed teenager unjustifiably. However, if clear evidence shows otherwise, I'm okay with changing my mind. I'm not holding my breath, though. The more info that comes out, the more I'm liking Zimmerman for murder.

[canam]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

How will it possibly help Zimmerman's case if it can be shown that Trayvon was the one yelling for help?

If Trayvon has no signs of a scuffle (including offensive wounds), wouldn't that point to some other cause of Zimmerman's injuries? Such as injuring himself to make it look like there was a just cause for him to kill someone?

he had no time to INJURE himself before cops arrived ,pure speculation, which is exactly what the blacks will say ,oh he had someone punch him and he bashed his head on the ground ,puleeze ! maybe he was yelling for help when he saw that roscoe pointed at him.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by canam

he had no time to INJURE himself before cops arrived ,pure speculation, which is exactly what the blacks will say ,oh he had someone punch him and he bashed his head on the ground ,puleeze ! maybe he was yelling for help when he saw that roscoe pointed at him.

I'm not interested in changing my views simply because it is something "the blacks" will say. I'm just pointing out that there are several ways this altercation could have taken place, and at this point anything is possible. Unfortunately, only Zimmerman knows for sure, and he has plenty of reason to spin everything in his favor.

[canam]

as do all the marchers and rioters etc.time will tell.