Planned Parenthood Plans 40 Days of Prayer (L)

[Hoovie]

Taking one life to make others comfortable is never Ok.

Is there a comparison being made here between welfare recipients and Hitler?

And a society that allows child sacrifice because it's kewl with their moral code?

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Taking one life to make others comfortable is never Ok.

Is there a comparison being made here between welfare recipients and Hitler?

And a society that allows child sacrifice because it's kewl with their moral code?

The reason I have framed most of what I have said as questions is because I do not have all the answers but I think that sometimes we tend to simplify as if we do... How would you deal with your 11 year old daughter being pregnant by your younger, nice decent kid brother?

Your wife with a pregnancy that endangered her health and possibly her life but was too early to be viable?

A routine ultrasound revealing that the fetus you were carrying had no brain and while it would grow inside your body like a parasite for 9 months and be born it would never live beyond an hour?

My point is that these things are real situations that happen to real people every day. I meet some of these people.

So far I think I think that I believe that:

1. TOP on demand is morally wrong and should be illegal.
2. There should be some allowable exceptions and we may never agree on what they are.
3. The likelihood that current law will ever be repealed or even altered is almost nil for a lot of reasons the biggest one is that the majority of people want it to be legal even if they find it sickening.

And no, no comparison between welfare recipients and Hitler... My questions just kind of ran together... Do you believe it would have been better if Hitler were never born? And is it better for a woman to have and keep a child that she will never love or give a decent chance at life for selfish reasons than to terminate it?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

The reason I have framed most of what I have said as questions is because I do not have all the answers but I think that sometimes we tend to simplify as if we do... How would you deal with your 11 year old daughter being pregnant by your younger, nice decent kid brother?

Your wife with a pregnancy that endangered her health and possibly her life but was too early to be viable?

A routine ultrasound revealing that the fetus you were carrying had no brain and while it would grow inside your body like a parasite for 9 months and be born it would never live beyond an hour?

My point is that these things are real situations that happen to real people every day. I meet some of these people.

So far I think I think that I believe that:

1. TOP on demand is morally wrong and should be illegal.
2. There should be some allowable exceptions and we may never agree on what they are.
3. The likelihood that current law will ever be repealed or even altered is almost nil for a lot of reasons the biggest one is that the majority of people want it to be legal even if they find it sickening.

And no, no comparison between welfare recipients and Hitler... My questions just kind of ran together... Do you believe it would have been better if Hitler were never born? And is it better for a woman to have and keep a child that she will never love or give a decent chance at life for selfish reasons than to terminate it?

How do you deal with a young girl getting pregnant? I am not a doctor, but I would assume one would start with a game plan to treat both patients.

Same with a mother who is in danger. Sometimes extended hospitalization is required to ensure the best possible outcome.

The "no brain" scenario may be somewhat different. If it is simply a tumor or mass then it is treated as such. However, there are many, many cases where the parents were told the baby would not live and they did. Some going on to lead productive and even normal lives. I would contact a team of doctors who do not believe in abortion and come up with a plan.

I think I can answer the Hitler question better as soon as you show you had evidence while he was in the womb that he would later kill millions.

Better to keep a child the mother will not love? No. That child is better to be adopted into a two parent home where he will be loved. This is the reality of many. Adoption works without killing.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

How do you deal with a young girl getting pregnant? I am not a doctor, but I would assume one would start with a game plan to treat both patients.

Same with a mother who is in danger. Sometimes extended hospitalization is required to ensure the best possible outcome.

The "no brain" scenario may be somewhat different. If it is simply a tumor or mass then it is treated as such. However, there are many, many cases where the parents were told the baby would not live and they did. Some going on to lead productive and even normal lives. I would contact a team of doctors who do not believe in abortion and come up with a plan.

I think I can answer the Hitler question better as soon as you show you had evidence while he was in the womb that he would later kill millions.

Better to keep a child the mother will not love? No. That child is better to be adopted into a two parent home where he will be loved. This is the reality of many. Adoption works without killing.

Anencephaly is not a mistake on sono, etc. It is the complete absence of a brain. It has happened to three women in this practice since I've been here. So you are answering a question I did not ask. My question is about a baby with no chance at life at all.

About a woman whoes life is at risk... we keep saying 'doctors who don't believe in abortion'... but these doctors do believe in delivering a fetus that has no chance of viability. Methods slightly different, outcome the same. The biggest difference is that the mother has to labor or have a C-section to deliver the fetus whole, where a D&E allows a generally safer procedure for the mother.

And lastly, how many of your children are adopted? I have raised two children who were not my own. Don and I plan to adopt and have started the process. There are, right this minute over 1.500 children available for adoption in the Houston area, thousands in the US. Until you take in a few of these broken children and figure out what to do with the rest of them let's not go all fuzzy with the 'adoption option' which is really only an option for healthy white infants.

[Titus2woman]

Correction... It is now 1.700 children waiting for families in Houston. I guess the number jumped another 200 while I wasn't looking.

For anyone who might be willing to be a family to one of these babies we talk about saving, a few years down the road... Here you go.

http://www.depelchin.org/fw/main/Chi...option-26.html

Even single people can adopt, even single men ... so that is NO EXCUSE.

BE THE CHANGE YOU TALK ABOUT.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Correction... It is now 1.700 children waiting for families in Houston. I guess the number jumped another 200 while I wasn't looking.

For anyone who might be willing to be a family to one of these babies we talk about saving, a few years down the road... Here you go.

http://www.depelchin.org/fw/main/Chi...option-26.html

Even single people can adopt, even single men ... so that is NO EXCUSE.

BE THE CHANGE YOU TALK ABOUT.

I would never advocate a single person to adopt a baby...

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

I would never advocate a single person to adopt a baby...

Never? I agree that in most cases it wouldn't be an ideal situation but there are certainly those who have the means and the ability to do it.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

I would never advocate a single person to adopt a baby...

Why ever not??? I mean besides the obvious, which it that is absolves you of any personal guilt for never having considered sharing your substance with a child who needs a home and family. A single man adopting a child is no different than a man raising a child after losing his wife to death, divorce, etc. It is the reason that it is completely legal. What a way to reach someone for the Lord, raise them in a Christain home!

I spent a large amount of time in foster care as a child. Kids 'age out' of the system more than are adopted. When they age out they are essentially cut loose with no one to call family unless they are somehow able to find the biologics that they were removed from in the first place. Many of these children later fill our prisons. There are success stories but they are few and far between... I am one, my brother on the other hand is facing the death penalty for a henious crime.

People can have ideals all they want but the truth is that unless you actually are part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

And as far as the remark about race that someone found offensive, it is a statistical fact, not a prejudiced remark. White infants have waiting lists to be adopted in every agency that exists. Minority children and older children are left to languish in foster care or institiutions.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Anencephaly is not a mistake on sono, etc. It is the complete absence of a brain. It has happened to three women in this practice since I've been here. So you are answering a question I did not ask. My question is about a baby with no chance at life at all.

About a woman whoes life is at risk... we keep saying 'doctors who don't believe in abortion'... but these doctors do believe in delivering a fetus that has no chance of viability. Methods slightly different, outcome the same. The biggest difference is that the mother has to labor or have a C-section to deliver the fetus whole, where a D&E allows a generally safer procedure for the mother.

And lastly, how many of your children are adopted? I have raised two children who were not my own. Don and I plan to adopt and have started the process. There are, right this minute over 1.500 children available for adoption in the Houston area, thousands in the US. Until you take in a few of these broken children and figure out what to do with the rest of them let's not go all fuzzy with the 'adoption option' which is really only an option for healthy white infants.

As I said, I am not a doctor, but I would hire a medical team that would start with a plan to treat both patients. Not saying the decisions would be easy. However, I do believe the unborn are persons and have God-given rights.

My children are not adopted... though we do support pregnancy centers and a Christian adoption group.

Honestly, your fuzzy for adoption comment is offensive.

The bottom line is this. Life is better than death - even for children waiting to be adopted.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

As I said, I am not a doctor, but I would hire a medical team that would start with a plan to treat both patients. Not saying the decisions would be easy. However, I do believe the unborn are persons and have God-given rights..

Agreed on the child being a person with rights. I do not support anything that strips an unborn child of rights. Now let us face the fact that there are many situations when one person's rights are trumped by anothers.

Originally Posted by Hoovie

My children are not adopted... though we do support pregnancy centers and a Christian adoption group. .

That is commendable and more than mosst do but real support is opening your home and lives to a child or children who has no family. Anything short of that is really not meaningfull while there are kids with no families.

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Honestly, your fuzzy for adoption comment is offensive. .

In what way and to who? I am a minority person, I am not offended. Adoption is NEVER going to happen for the vast majority of children whose parents have been stripped of parental rights. They will age out of the foster system.

Originally Posted by Hoovie

The bottom line is this. Life is better than death - even for children waiting to be adopted.

Agreed. But it is not better for children who are daily beaten, raped, tortured, unloved, neglected, locked away and eventually killed by the parents who hate them and did not want them. And don't say it doesn't happen... watch your nightly news, look at the reports from CPS in your state and nationwide, it happens all the time.