Repentance, Holiness, and the Church

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Ha, ok, you caught me with a broad brush, too, lol.
Muslims are people, just like us.
I can say from experience that even
secular Muslims seem much more in tune
with "Love your neighbor," which I consider to be
one of Christ's Names.

It is hard to describe absent the experience,
you don't find mid easterners yakking about
their religion, so much as practicing it-
-is the best way I can put it, and I apologize for
what is surely unseemly frankness here.

If I was on the street, homeless,
I would rather it be in a Muslim neighborhood,
and you should look at my profile pic to get some
idea of what a statement that is.

I do not say this lightly, or with much pride.
I pity the homeless Muslim in most American neighborhoods.
This is very sad to me, a travesty.

It doesn't matter how good of a person you or they are. If you're not born again you're not saved.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by JamDat

It doesn't matter how good of a person you or they are. If you're not born again you're not saved.

What tripe. "Love your neighbor" is 9/10ths of the Law, hello.
Your Christian brothers have befuddled you with all the useless
parsing yack about "works is not faith," et al.
They make a puzzle of a piece.

oh, oops--you get 2 answers tonight.

Quotes coming, but guys, do yourself a favor and read a Qur'an;
you have absolutely no excuse not to.
Either they are your enemies, and reading their Book
will bring them closer, or they are not your enemies,
and reading their Book will bring them more in focus.

You're currently slinging snipe in total ignorance, and it shows, baldly,
and it is ridiculous. These are a people oppressed in their own countries,
not Christians "oppressed" in an openly atheist country; you don't even
have any parallels for their suffering--yet.

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

What tripe. "Love your neighbor" is 9/10ths of the Law, hello.
Your Christian brothers have befuddled you with all the useless
parsing yack about "works is not faith," et al.
They make a puzzle of a piece.

oh, oops--you get 2 answers tonight.

Quotes coming, but guys, do yourself a favor and read a Qur'an;
you have absolutely no excuse not to.
Either they are your enemies, and reading their Book
will bring them closer, or they are not your enemies,
and reading their Book will bring them more in focus.

You're currently slinging snipe in total ignorance, and it shows, baldly,
and it is ridiculous. These are a people oppressed in their own countries,
not Christians "oppressed" in an openly atheist country; you don't even
have any parallels for their suffering--yet.

You, them, and I have broken 10/10ths of the law. You want to tell me how your goodness or their goodness will save? Works are faith, but not salvation. I do good works because of my salvation. I'm evil to the core and so much so that the wrath of God will crush me for eternity. However Jesus was crushed in my place and His white robe of righteousness (righteousness that you can never do) was placed on me.

So go ahead and believe that the words of the Prophet Jesus are tripe. I will believe that the Prophet Jesus is God and His words are not tripe, but a light unto my path.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by JamDat

You, them, and I have broken 10/10ths of the law. You want to tell me how your goodness or their goodness will save? Works are faith, but not salvation. I do good works because of my salvation. I'm evil to the core and so much so that the wrath of God will crush me for eternity. However Jesus was crushed in my place and His white robe of righteousness (righteousness that you can never do) was placed on me.

So go ahead and believe that the words of the Prophet Jesus are tripe. I will believe that the Prophet Jesus is God and His words are not tripe, but a light unto my path.

Yes, amen, I mostly agree. We have some minor semantics differences,
that I seriously doubt will mean squat to the surprised sheep
at "the Separation."

I happen to believe "be perfect" is achievable, and that christ is my High Priest, whom I am "joint heirs" with, and I pray to God, the One Christ told me to pray to. Let's forget the tripe thing, as you did not quote Christ there anyway, ok?

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Yes, amen, I mostly agree. We have some minor semantics differences,
that I seriously doubt will mean squat to the surprised sheep
at "the Separation."

I happen to believe "be perfect" is achievable, and that christ is my High Priest, whom I am "joint heirs" with, and I pray to God, the One Christ told me to pray to. Let's forget the tripe thing, as you did not quote Christ there anyway, ok?

Can you tell me a human who has been perfect besides Jesus Christ?

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by JamDat

Can you tell me a human who has been perfect besides Jesus Christ?

You bet. Melchezidek, et al. You and me, under Grace. I got Scripture for that if you need it. You will refine your def of "perfect," surely, as time goes on; it is not the "perfectionism" that we imagine perfect to be. You are perfectly manifesting, right now.

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

You bet. Melchezidek, et al. You and me, under Grace. I got Scripture for that if you need it. You will refine your def of "perfect," surely, as time goes on; it is not the "perfectionism" that we imagine perfect to be. You are perfectly manifesting, right now.

NO, no, no. You said that you believe "be perfect" is achievable. Who besides Jesus Christ was perfect? Who was perfect with out spot or blemish and be the lamb?

You think you can achieve a state of perfection? Not according to the bible. God through the death of Jesus Christ to atone for your sin can make you perfect, but that is not you achieving it now is it?

So lets go back to all those good muslims and how they're getting to heaven if they pass the test of Jesus, but not the test that we would take because the Word of God has been corrupted. Here is the test. Submit to Jesus Christ or not? Answer yes = pass, answer no = fail.