Repentance, Holiness, and the Church

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by JamDat

Speaking in relation to being human without the intervention of the cross...

There is no way one can be perfect or attain the state of perfection. God says for all have sinned. If you've even committed on crime against God then you are not perfect and can not be perfect. Surely you've read in the bible "a little leaven leavens the whole lump."

Now "Be ye perfect.' What could that mean? Jesus when saying this also said "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Yes Jesus listed all these things to do and then said to be perfect. So if you've gone against even one of those things that He talked about you are not perfect. Are you perfect? Of course not. Remember that He was not talking to a blood bought church yet.

Jesus's whole point was that you are not perfect and can't be! Hence the reason we need Him. So that God will view us as being perfect like Jesus Christ is. Just like Jesus was viewed as the criminal and punished in place of us. Isaiah 53:10 Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an offering for guilt, he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days; the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Why discuss "from the pov of the lost?" I would agree with all you say for a "lost" person;
who determines who is lost?
1) I've never heard the leaven parable applied quite that way; but I agree
that once one sins, they are separated from God. However, as soon as one asks forgiveness, they are forgiven, and that sin is blotted out--it is gone, as far as God is concerned. You negate "be ye perfect," while I believe it.

2) I'm not denying that everyone needs Christ. I'm pretty sure our defs of "perfect" are diff, if yours dwells on past forgiven sin. I note that "re-repenting" is common in your model, and this seems to strongly reflect Original Sin?

"Are you perfect?" You bet. Any less is to deny Christ for me. Or are you revealing some sin of mine, that I must name and ask forgiveness for, to be perfect again?

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

1) I've never heard the leaven parable applied quite that way; but I agree
that once one sins, they are separated from God. However, as soon as one asks forgiveness, they are forgiven, and that sin is blotted out--it is gone, as far as God is concerned. You negate "be ye perfect," while I believe it.

2) I'm not denying that everyone needs Christ. I'm pretty sure our defs of "perfect" are diff, if yours dwells on past forgiven sin. I note that "re-repenting" is common in your model, and this seems to strongly reflect Original Sin?

"Are you perfect?" You bet. Any less is to deny Christ for me. Or are you revealing some sin of mine, that I must name and ask forgiveness for, to be perfect again?

I don't think your reading everything that I'm writing (which I understand and tend to do to.) This started between you and I because your implication of muslims being saved.

I do believe the bible that once one is born again they are forgiven. Forgiven from past, present, and future sin.

The church is His bride of whom I belong and I'm waiting for that glorious day of the marriage supper. I have great reservation though of people who think that God is a polygamist and will have several brides at that feast. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. There is only one Lord, one faith, one baptism. There will only be one bride at that supper.

You seem to think that muslim will take the path of allah and and be at that supper.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by JamDat

I don't think your reading everything that I'm writing (which I understand and tend to do to.) This started between you and I because your implication of muslims being saved.

I do believe the bible that once one is born again they are forgiven. Forgiven from past, present, and future sin.

The church is His bride of whom I belong and I'm waiting for that glorious day of the marriage supper. I have great reservation though of people who think that God is a polygamist and will have several brides at that feast. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. There is only one Lord, one faith, one baptism. There will only be one bride at that supper.

You seem to think that muslim will take the path of allah and and be at that supper.

I don't think this; it is assured to me, at "many will cry, 'Lord, Lord," and the separation parable. These assure me that any human who thinks they have God cornered should think again.

There is only one Lord, Faith, Baptism, amen. One "born again." As soon as you release your definitions of those words, and seek God's definitions of them, this apparent polygamy will resolve.

It's early, ya, and while I read your post, I didn't connect it too well with my post that it answered. I'll look again after 2nd cup, which is here : )

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

I don't think this; it is assured to me, at "many will cry, 'Lord, Lord," and the separation parable. These assure me that any human who thinks they have God cornered should think again.

There is only one Lord, Faith, Baptism, amen. One "born again." As soon as you release your definitions of those words, and seek God's definitions of them, this apparent polygamy will resolve.

It's early, ya, and while I read your post, I didn't connect it too well with my post that it answered. I'll look again after 2nd cup, which is here : )

You seem to think that you have God's definition of being born again. Please tell me so that I may see how the people who reject Jesus Christ as being God will be at the marriage supper of the Lamb.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by JamDat

You seem to think that you have God's definition of being born again. Please tell me so that I may see how the people who reject Jesus Christ as being God will be at the marriage supper of the Lamb.

You say they "reject Christ." Please see that while
they might reject the Catholic Christ, with their mouths
or words, it is what is in their hearts also, that will
determine whether they are in the Book.

"Born again" = change your mind, completely,
recognizing that this "change your mind" has
almost nothing to do with the way we interpret
the phrase: "I was going to have a doughnut,
but I changed my mind."

I currently like "observe what most humans
are thinking, and think differently" which does
end up producing some contrarian, if valid,
posts that are surely not taken well, especially
about venerated Presidents, for which I again
apologize. Ronnie was a nice guy, and did some
good things.

I look forward to better defs here, and think
physics, of all things, will shortly be providing some.
"...even greater things will you do..." so when someone
does, they will be better qualified to expand our def, imo.
Gandhi seems a great example.

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

You say they "reject Christ." Please see that while
they might reject the Catholic Christ, with their mouths
or words, it is what is in their hearts also, that will
determine whether they are in the Book.

"Born again" = change your mind, completely,
recognizing that this "change your mind" has
almost nothing to do with the way we interpret
the phrase: "I was going to have a doughnut,
but I changed my mind."

I currently like "observe what most humans
are thinking, and think differently" which does
end up producing some contrarian, if valid,
posts that are surely not taken well, especially
about venerated Presidents, for which I again
apologize. Ronnie was a nice guy, and did some
good things.

I look forward to better defs here, and think
physics, of all things, will shortly be providing some.
"...even greater things will you do..." so when someone
does, they will be better qualified to expand our def, imo.
Gandhi seems a great example.

Gandhi seems to be a great example of being born again?

You and I are not even in the same zip code.

There will not be sheep that are separated crying did we not do this or that. Those will be goats.

Don't be a goat. Humble yourself before the Lord and submit to Him. Let Him crush you now and repent. I beg you for your sake to pray that He accepts you. Realize what your righteousness is and let Him save you.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by JamDat

Gandhi seems to be a great example of being born again?

Ha!

JamDat, you must learn to decode bbyrd's dialogue.

I think he is trying to say IF Gandhi were a born again Christian, he would be a great example. Much more of an example than many believers are.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by JamDat

Gandhi seems to be a great example of being born again?

You and I are not even in the same zip code.

There will not be sheep that are separated crying did we not do this or that. Those will be goats.

Don't be a goat. Humble yourself before the Lord and submit to Him. Let Him crush you now and repent. I beg you for your sake to pray that He accepts you. Realize what your righteousness is and let Him save you.

I'd say Gandhi is a pretty good example of a changed mind.

zip code--yes, I am aware of this; you are Catholic, maybe?
or more possibly just married to Original Sin?
http://www.wikihow.com/Recognize-the...ristian-Models

But they thot they were sheep.

And ya, please don't beg or pray for me, ok?
You might point out anything I might have to
repent of...and praying He accepts me is contrary to Scripture-
-He has already done all the accepting He is ever going to do.
Are you Catholic, or something? I will not re-repent, ty.