Apostolic 101

[Tim Rutledge]

Originally Posted by seekerman

No. Because scripture teaches no such thing.

Acts 2:38 says that repentance and baptism in Jesus name is FOR the remission of sins. How do you interpret that?

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

Acts 2:38 says that repentance and baptism in Jesus name is FOR the remission of sins. How do you interpret that?

in the name of has always ment in the authority of

this doesnt mean that some one has to call that over your baptism. that is just a oral envocation. while i do prefer it, if remission of sins was based on someone stating a line over you as your dunked under water. then the power to remit sin would be dependant on another mans vocal chord and not your faith.

So i like to interpret it, the way ananias told Paul, why do you tarry? Get up be baptized washing away your sin, ----- get this (calling on the name of the Lord)

at pauls baptism he was instructed to call upon the name of the Lord. So i believe and the greek supports it, it is a 1st person calling upon the name of the Lord Jesus and not some one stating it over you as you get lowered into water.

and lets say your right and im wrong, which Line do you use?

In the name of Jesus Christ
In the Name of the Lord Jesus

or what about the one that says they were baptized in the Name of the Lord, and didnt even use the name Jesus.

do we use the greek name Iesous
do we use the Hebrew name Yeshua
do we use the arabic Name Isa

I am all for baptism in Jesus name, i just dont preach that it must be something another man says over you to have your sins remitted.

To be honest i had recieved the Holy Ghost and for all you Op (with evidence of speaking in tounges) way before i was ever baptized in Jesus name.

according to the word I had recieved the promise of God, i was given a Spirit of adoption, I was placed in the Body of belivers, i was sealed unto the day of redemption.

but i was still considered in my sins cause i had not been baptized in Jesus name with some one speaking his name over me at the time. Was i forgiven?

so was i a carnal sinner with the Spirit of God or did God deposit His Spirit in me before i was baptized?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by acerrak

in the name of has always ment in the authority of

this doesnt mean that some one has to call that over your baptism. that is just a oral envocation. while i do prefer it, if remission of sins was based on someone stating a line over you as your dunked under water. then the power to remit sin would be dependant on another mans vocal chord and not your faith.

So i like to interpret it, the way ananias told Paul, why do you tarry? Get up be baptized washing away your sin, ----- get this (calling on the name of the Lord)

at pauls baptism he was instructed to call upon the name of the Lord. So i believe and the greek supports it, it is a 1st person calling upon the name of the Lord Jesus and not some one stating it over you as you get lowered into water.

and lets say your right and im wrong, which Line do you use?

In the name of Jesus Christ
In the Name of the Lord Jesus

or what about the one that says they were baptized in the Name of the Lord, and didnt even use the name Jesus.

do we use the greek name Iesous
do we use the Hebrew name Yeshua
do we use the arabic Name Isa

I am all for baptism in Jesus name, i just dont preach that it must be something another man says over you to have your sins remitted.

To be honest i had recieved the Holy Ghost and for all you Op (with evidence of speaking in tounges) way before i was ever baptized in Jesus name.

according to the word I had recieved the promise of God, i was given a Spirit of adoption, I was placed in the Body of belivers, i was sealed unto the day of redemption.

but i was still considered in my sins cause i had not been baptized in Jesus name with some one speaking his name over me at the time. Was i forgiven?

so was i a carnal sinner with the Spirit of God or did God deposit His Spirit in me before i was baptized?

Agreed on the "authority of", though it has even deeper significance. The best way to show that an event is taking place in the authority of Jesus, is to say so.

It's imperative that the newly converted candidate call on Jesus, but ideally it should be clearly proclaimed to all present that the baptismal ceremony is done in Jesus Name.

Yes, I believe you were forgiven. This is also the position of the UPC AOF.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Agreed on the "authority of", though it has even deeper significance. The best way to show that an event is taking place in the authority of Jesus, is to say so.

It's imperative that the newly converted candidate call on Jesus, but ideally it should be clearly proclaimed to all present that the baptismal ceremony is done in Jesus Name.

Yes, I believe you were forgiven. This is also the position of the UPC AOF.

i actually equate baptism with romans 10:9-10 we see a perfect picture of this with the ehtiopian and phillip.

The ethiopian Believed. Verbally confessed Jesus is the Son of God then Got baptized.

but the question He asked Phillip what hinders me from being baptized. and Phillip answered you must believe with all your heart and soul.

Thus The ethiopian declared or as you say verbally proclaimed and then was baptized. that is really what calling upon is.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by acerrak

i actually equate baptism with romans 10:9-10 we see a perfect picture of this with the ehtiopian and phillip.

The ethiopian Believed. Verbally confessed Jesus is the Son of God then Got baptized.

but the question He asked Phillip what hinders me from being baptized. and Phillip answered you must believe with all your heart and soul.

Thus The ethiopian declared or as you say verbally proclaimed and then was baptized. that is really what calling upon is.

I hear what you are saying and do agree. The repentant new believer must understand who Jesus is, and call on Him. This is the crucial and operative question. Nevertheless, a baptismal ceremony, like all meetings should be called and conducted in Jesus name as well.

[Tim Rutledge]

If this gospel is hid, it is hid to them which are lost. Anyone (adult) not baptized in Jesus name has not been born again of the water. Which is essential. John 3:3,5.

[Tim Rutledge]

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (1 Peter 3:21 KJV)

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (1 Peter 3:21 KJV)

Nobody I've met believes that baptism saves us, especially oneness Pentecostals.

Now, again, where does the bible indicate the blood of the Lamb is applied by water at baptism?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (1 Peter 3:21 KJV)

Indeed, because we are buried with Christ, baptism does speak of the salvation Christ purchased for us - and identifies us with Him. It is truly a part of the initiation into the body of believers.

I question the experience of anyone not desiring to submit to baptism.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (1 Peter 3:21 KJV)

water baptism is a figure or picture of salvation.

water baptism does not put away any filth of the flesh

water baptism is the answer (response) of a good conscience i.e. we are clean and right with God so we respond by being baptized in water.