Gratuitous, but uninformative. I have Scripture, if you like?
Or did Abel have sex with mom, or a sister, or what?
A & E is a great story, that supplies what it needs to,
but to assume we all descend from just them is unsupported
in Scripture, and also requires magical thinking.
The very phrase "eth ha Adam" indicates other lineages,
to argue the one, and I would just ask you who Cain's
father was, for the other.
I see no problem with telling the A & E story to
children, but imo there is too much meat to be
found by just a little digging for that story to suffice
for a seeker.
A study of Gen 3:20 "...mother of all the living,"
your only possible foundation, will reveal itself better
in the lexicon. Our common interpretation is ridic on its face:
what, "all the living" as opposed to "all the dead?"
Gratuitous, but uninformative. I have Scripture, if you like?
Or did Abel have sex with mom, or a sister, or what?
A & E is a great story, that supplies what it needs to,
but to assume we all descend from just them is unsupported
in Scripture, and also requires magical thinking.
The very phrase "eth ha Adam" indicates other lineages,
to argue the one, and I would just ask you who Cain's
father was, for the other.
I see no problem with telling the A & E story to
children, but imo there is too much meat to be
found by just a little digging for that story to suffice
for a seeker.
Adam was Cain's father.
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Well, I'm still learning there, but "serpent seed"
seems to be supported in Scripture, both OT and New?
"Satan is the father of Cain." Pretty plain to me. I don't
know if the mark of Cain was being made black or not,
and I would not extend that to all black people if it was-
-I mean, at that point, we may as well accept as true
"them what killed our Lord."
Kenites might have originally been black,
but we also have black Jews now.
I wouldn't mind hearing an unbiased opinion that
clarifies this more, as I'm really not grasping the objection to
serpent seed--is that it, that people might relate it to blacks?
Really, whether SS is literal or only spiritual strikes me more
as an understanding issue than a salvation issue-
-to me it is the model that makes the most sense
(the serpent is transformed after into a species
that could not mate w/humans any longer, say; etc),
and I doubt that the understanding I have now
is the one I will have then. I'm still trying to integrate
this "Adam" and "Ish" thing in there too.
Well, I'm still learning there, but "serpent seed"
seems to be supported in Scripture, both OT and New?
"Satan is the father of Cain." Pretty plain to me. I don't
know if the mark of Cain was being made black or not,
and I would not extend that to all black people if it was-
-I mean, at that point, we may as well accept as true
"them what killed our Lord."
Kenites might have originally been black,
but we also have black Jews now.
I wouldn't mind hearing an unbiased opinion that
clarifies this more, as I'm really not grasping the objection to
serpent seed--is that it, that people might relate it to blacks?
Really, whether SS is literal or only spiritual strikes me more
as an understanding issue than a salvation issue-
-to me it is the model that makes the most sense
(the serpent is transformed after into a species
that could not mate w/humans any longer, say; etc),
and I doubt that the understanding I have now
is the one I will have then. I'm still trying to integrate
this "Adam" and "Ish" thing in there too.
Sorry if I missed it, but have you posted the scripture that says Satan was the father of Cain? And what the "correct" translation of Genesis 4:1 ("And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD") is?
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Sorry if I missed it, but have you posted the scripture that says Satan was the father of Cain? And what the "correct" translation of Genesis 4:1 ("And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD") is?
Timmy, we agree on something! Is that the first or the second time, and will it ever happen again?
I have started pondering about the appropriateness of rendering an image of Christ, especially considering the strict prohibition on such imagery in the Law. God commanded it, and I am no longer certain that it is an acceptable practice. Why do we feel comfortable with this I wonder? Is it not borderline sacrilege?
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Sorry if I missed it, but have you posted the scripture that says Satan was the father of Cain? And what the "correct" translation of Genesis 4:1 ("And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD") is?
Ok, that's NT, and I'm rushing now...stated plainly, I just read it, Sam will know,
or I'll find it tonight. I read Gen 4:1 like you do, but there are arguments that at least posit that some time passed here, between the action verbs, I'll hunt for that, too.
This is disputed in Adam's lineage, in Genesis,
as well as more than one place, OT and NT,
that will testify that "Satan was the father of Cain."
To say that Adam was Cain's father is to deny the truth,
written plainly in more than one place in Scripture, sorry.
You are confusing a spiritual idiom with genetic lineage.
Jesus told the Jews "You are of your father the devil" though they were decendants of Abraham. It's an expression not meaning the Devil had sex with their mothers instead of their human fathers.
Cain is spoken of in the same way, because he was the first murderer
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Gratuitous, but uninformative. I have Scripture, if you like?
Or did Abel have sex with mom, or a sister, or what?
A & E is a great story, that supplies what it needs to,
but to assume we all descend from just them is unsupported
in Scripture, and also requires magical thinking.
The very phrase "eth ha Adam" indicates other lineages,
to argue the one, and I would just ask you who Cain's
father was, for the other.
I see no problem with telling the A & E story to
children, but imo there is too much meat to be
found by just a little digging for that story to suffice
for a seeker.
A study of Gen 3:20 "...mother of all the living,"
your only possible foundation, will reveal itself better
in the lexicon. Our common interpretation is ridic on its face:
what, "all the living" as opposed to "all the dead?"
A little seeking leads to finding here.
Cain's father was Adam
Gen 4:1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, "I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD."
He could have married a sister.
Or perhaps it was a race of human like creatures like Neanderthals
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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