Is there anyone who is Apostolic anymore?

[shag]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

Then we find the word submit in that same verse.

hypeikō :1) to resist no longer, but to give way, yield (of combatants)

2) metaph. to yield to authority and admonition, to submit

Strong's G5226

Yip, sho do.
Sometimes ya gotta hold'm to the book(bereans) tho, cause every great now and then they can get off into "teaching for doctorines the commandments of men" that is a stumbling block to the Kingdom of God, just as Jesus addressed to those pharisees that lost the Kingdom. And a good leader will always be open to, and desire scriptural accountability, dealt with in the right spirit of course. (IMO)
Take the no facial hair rule to partcipate in "inhouse church ministry" for example, besides eyebrows of course...

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by shag

Yip, sho do.

Take the no facial hair rule to partcipate in "inhouse church ministry" for example, besides eyebrows of course...

So how would those of you who believe that a pastor has the 'right' to ask men to remove the facial hair that was given them by God to distinguish them as male think you would handle it if you pastor also wanted eyebrows removed?

I know it sounds a little weird... but really think on it... If what you (not you shag, just using your post to kick this off) are asserting is true and a pastor has the 'right' to tell you to remove your facial hair he also has the right to tell you to remove your eyebrows... to shave your legs... to pluck your pubes... Because you go to HIS church... and that is really the crux of it for me... It's God's church and NO ONE has a right to require more of us then God. NO ONE. If they do, they sin, simple as that.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I know it sounds a little weird... but really think on it... If what you (not you shag, just using your post to kick this off) are asserting is true and a pastor has the 'right' to tell you to remove your facial hair he also has the right to tell you to remove your eyebrows... to shave your legs... to pluck your pubes... Because you go to HIS church... and that is really the crux of it for me... It's God's church and NO ONE has a right to require more of us then God. NO ONE. If they do, they sin, simple as that.

T2W this post gave me a chuckle

on a more serious note:
I spent 15 years blindly following a UC preacher who I passionately loved.
As far as I was concerned he had it, he was God's mouth piece, and no church was as right with God as we.
He has, over the years, changed what he used to preach so drastically that I now attend a different church, much more conservative then my former, but a relatively liberal UPC church.
I will never so completely submit to another Pastor as they are as fallible as the next guy.
I will take the message preached to heart and apply it to my life as best as a can as long as it's Bible.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

So how would those of you who believe that a pastor has the 'right' to ask men to remove the facial hair that was given them by God to distinguish them as male think you would handle it if you pastor also wanted eyebrows removed?

I know it sounds a little weird... but really think on it... If what you (not you shag, just using your post to kick this off) are asserting is true and a pastor has the 'right' to tell you to remove your facial hair he also has the right to tell you to remove your eyebrows... to shave your legs... to pluck your pubes... Because you go to HIS church... and that is really the crux of it for me... It's God's church and NO ONE has a right to require more of us then God. NO ONE. If they do, they sin, simple as that.

You are going way over board... First of all like we have said numerous times this is just a " house rule ". like in the church I go to if you want to be in leadership you've got to be clean shaven and if you want to keep your beard then that's fine but you won't be used in our local church. Nobody that I know has ever said this is a heaven or hell issue. It's just a standard.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

You are going way over board... First of all like we have said numerous times this is just a " house rule ". like in the church I go to if you want to be in leadership you've got to be clean shaven and if you want to keep your beard then that's fine but you won't be used in our local church. Nobody that I know has ever said this is a heaven or hell issue. It's just a standard.

Yep, just like a dress code at a job.

Only difference is, if the workers dont like the dress code, they can't vote out the boss. You can vote out your pastor. Of course if the majority votes for the pastor then apparently you need to find another church.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by scotty

Yep, just like a dress code at a job.

Only difference is, if the workers dont like the dress code, they can't vote out the boss. You can vote out your pastor. Of course if the majority votes for the pastor then apparently you need to find another church.

Exactly! I tried to make this point earlier but they just want to keep bashing the pastors.. Even if I did decided to grow one out I would be without a job cause we can't have one at my work.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by scotty

Yep, just like a dress code at a job.

Only difference is, if the workers dont like the dress code, they can't vote out the boss. You can vote out your pastor. Of course if the majority votes for the pastor then apparently you need to find another church.

It's NOT just like a job Scotty... it is supposed to be 'God's house'. A place where all are welcome, where all are grown, where all can and will hear from God and be used of God. This flies in the face of 1Cor 14:26 "How is it then, brethren? when you come together, every one of you has a psalm, has a doctrine, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

This is NOT a job. People do not get paid to be participators in the house of God... They are required by God to participate. What about men who feel a conviction to follow Lev. 19:27 and not mar their beards? They should have to find another church why??? Because it is that MAN'S church???

Actually that was the conclusion we came to that drove us out of the church... That it was not God's house at all but was a place owned by a man who could do as he pleased and we had no right to ever expect that to change... Thankfully God brought us those who love Him enough to let Him lead without their personal preferences getting in the way.

And just for the record... my husband prefers to be clean shaven and I prefer long hair, no make-up, and skirts... but I am fully persuaded that someone with another preference is not out of God's will or less than me in any way and has every right to everything in God that I do including a place on any platform. I am above no one for the 'standards' read preferences, that I keep and I would never risk missing what God would give to a group through that person with facial hair or lip gloss in order to impose my personal preferences on them. I would be terrified at how God would see that.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

You are going way over board... First of all like we have said numerous times this is just a " house rule ". like in the church I go to if you want to be in leadership you've got to be clean shaven and if you want to keep your beard then that's fine but you won't be used in our local church. Nobody that I know has ever said this is a heaven or hell issue. It's just a standard.

but you won't be used in our local church

to stop some one preaching the word of God because of facial hair goes against the very commandment Jesus gave me, you and your church.

infact your comment is so overboard cause now you placed limits on the gospel itself. That very line tells me that if Christ a jew who was forbidden to trim the edges of his beard walked into your church,He would not be allowed to preach or be used in your church.

The very same man you preach about wouldnt be used in your church. (hypocrits)

It doesnt have to be a heaven or hell issue, but ignorant men has made such things a issue of so importance that one could not use or fullfill his )GOD-GIVEN talents in your church)

Ill definatly go overboard cause this house rule of stupidty is what it is.

Its legalism, Paul would say who has bewitched you? Why are you accepting traditions of men.

Me this stuff goes deep cause this was the issue I had dealt with. I have had facial hair ever since i could grow it. Very few times would i shave. My facial hair is apart of me just as much as the hair on a womens head is part of her glory. and to have some man say that you cant be envolved because you have facial hair is pharasical.


how can a man get behind a pullpit and preach freedom in Christ yet feel in bondage to man made standards he had to bend to in order to preach...

Come out of that bondage brother, no such house rule ever exited in the bible nor should it be acceptable

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by acerrak

Christ a jew who was forbidden to trim the edges of his beard walked into your church,He would not be allowed to preach or be used in your church.

The very same man you preach about wouldnt be used in your church.

How convicting.

Originally Posted by hometown guy

You are going way over board... First of all like we have said numerous times this is just a " house rule ". like in the church I go to if you want to be in leadership you've got to be clean shaven and if you want to keep your beard then that's fine but you won't be used in our local church. Nobody that I know has ever said this is a heaven or hell issue. It's just a standard.

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Exactly! I tried to make this point earlier but they just want to keep bashing the pastors.. Even if I did decided to grow one out I would be without a job cause we can't have one at my work.

It is a preference not a standard... and no person had the right to impose their preferences on another in God's house. The bible should be the authority and if something is not sin it should not be forbidden nor should there be groups of first and second class citizens based on a false 'standard'. Your pastor is creating second class citizens by not allowing full participation to those who do not keep in line with his preference for clean faces by denying them a platform to preach, teach, minister.

The Holy Ghost will grow every believer to be like Christ... additional pressure from man to be something more pleasing to man is not necessary and is probably a sin.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

How convicting.






It is a preference not a standard... and no person had the right to impose their preferences on another in God's house. The bible should be the authority and if something is not sin it should not be forbidden nor should there be groups of first and second class citizens based on a false 'standard'. Your pastor is creating second class citizens by not allowing full participation to those who do not keep in line with his preference for clean faces by denying them a platform to preach, teach, minister.

The Holy Ghost will grow every believer to be like Christ... additional pressure from man to be something more pleasing to man is not necessary and is probably a sin.

Wow! Someone puts something about an old testament law and You put " how convicting " .... Interesting