People who are damaged like this young lady was, are not responsible for their actions, they have no real choice. It is great when a psychologist or therapist can help them heal, and restore them to a place where they can once again make real choices.
People who had horrible experiences, and childhoods are not responsible for their actions? Are you currently working as a public defendant?
Could you explain your theory further?
Does God intervene to convert, when a person is willing to allow God into their lives?
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The only thing worse than the damage done those who abuse is those who force them to live in a broken state by simply giving them a religion but no real help.
I agree with you here, just giving someone religion without any real physical or supernatural help is just a band-aid on a bullet wound.
Restoration takes time and work with everyone involved.
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Like those who have a broken leg and all that is done is praying for them but no medical help given.
I understand what you mean, but I was a witness of the accident of church sister's son, when he flipped his Stingray bicycle broke his arm, and she quietly knelt by his side, silently prayed, and the boy's arm was healed.
While I believe that individuals have the "faith" to allow God to perform the impossible, I also understand that Jesus Himself (God in the flesh) asked people to leave the room, and while visiting His home town could not perform many miracles. Taking that all into consideration one needs to know what they are dealing with, in order to see the impossible change before their eyes.
People have a free will and not only need our prayers but need our positive actions. In order to change their minds towards rehabilitation, and restoration.
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People who had horrible experiences, and childhoods are not responsible for their actions? Are you currently working as a public defendant?
Could you explain your theory further?
Does God intervene to convert, when a person is willing to allow God into their lives?
Absent a real choice one is simply acting as an animal would. They little girl in the video didn't have just a horrible experience she was repeatedly raped at one year old. That kind of damage is so severe that real freedom is not available to them to make choices. She had no emotion, no feelings of right and wrong, the working definition of legal insanity. She cannot conform her actions to what she ought.
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I understand what you mean, but I was a witness of the accident of church sister's son, when he flipped his Stingray bicycle broke his arm, and she quietly knelt by his side, silently prayed, and the boy's arm was healed.
While I believe that individuals have the "faith" to allow God to perform the impossible, I also understand that Jesus Himself (God in the flesh) asked people to leave the room, and while visiting His home town could not perform many miracles. Taking that all into consideration one needs to know what they are dealing with, in order to see the impossible change before their eyes.
People have a free will and not only need our prayers but need our positive actions. In order to change their minds towards rehabilitation, and restoration.
The reality we live in is that God does not usually, if ever, heal broken bones outside of medical attention. The psyche is just as much in need of medical help in a situation like this, we are not talking about a cut or a bruise, we are talking about injuries so severe she cannot function in society.
Maybe the arm was broke, maybe it wasn't I was not there but the truth is many times people blame God and/or give give him credit for things He has never done.
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The reality we live in is that God does not usually, if ever, heal broken bones outside of medical attention. The psyche is just as much in need of medical help in a situation like this, we are not talking about a cut or a bruise, we are talking about injuries so severe she cannot function in society.
Maybe the arm was broke, maybe it wasn't I was not there but the truth is many times people blame God and/or give give him credit for things He has never done.
This is what I was talking about when I opened this thread....
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Absent a real choice one is simply acting as an animal would. They little girl in the video didn't have just a horrible experience she was repeatedly raped at one year old. That kind of damage is so severe that real freedom is not available to them to make choices. She had no emotion, no feelings of right and wrong, the working definition of legal insanity. She cannot conform her actions to what she ought.
I'll be the first one to admit that the Jesuit maxim: "give me a child until he is seven, and I will give you the man" (Ignatius of Loyola, 1557), is true. John Broadus Watson, and B. F. Skinner proved that like animals, humans could be trained, and re-trained if influenced at early stages of life development. Send a young man to the Marines and he comes back different then he went in, also the same is true for a young man who goes to prison, while the end result is different, a mind change whether good or bad is the end result. So, your thoughts above have merit,yet do you believe that a true supernatural experience with the Holy Ghost can change someone's life who have been so severely damaged?
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The reality we live in is that God does not usually, if ever, heal broken bones outside of medical attention. The psyche is just as much in need of medical help in a situation like this, we are not talking about a cut or a bruise, we are talking about injuries so severe she cannot function in society.
I understand, but my question points more towards can an individual be restored through the power of the Holy Ghost?
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Maybe the arm was broke, maybe it wasn't I was not there but the truth is many times people blame God and/or give give him credit for things He has never done.
Maybe two planes crashed into two buildings and three fell down?
Maybe Lee Harvey Oswald, shot and killed a president with the worst Italian rifle ever made, while sitting sideways on a window sill?
A lot of people believe that God never does anything.
That's the bigger problem, then whether or not a woman could pray for her son in the middle of the street and he be miraculously healed.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
Baron didn't seem to take it that way, we seem to be off to a good discussion?
Yet thank for your positive input, and correction of typo.
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Were you ever molested as a child, or beaten by your drunken father and mother?
You really felt my post deserved this response?
Interesting.
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Yes. Answer this question; what will happen to a sex slave when they die? They are not going to any Church, have any Bibles, and are living in immorality and drug addiction.
Yes. Answer this question; what will happen to a sex slave when they die? They are not going to any Church, have any Bibles, and are living in immorality and drug addiction.
Will they go to Heaven, or will they go to Hell?
So waxing philosophically is how you want to go about this?
No Bibles, no church, I guess your teaching could of saved Jim Elliot from being murdered by an Indian tribe, and John Williams from becoming a happy meal.
Good God from Zion!
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
So waxing philosophically is how you want to go about this?
No Bibles, no church, I guess your teaching could of saved Jim Elliot from being murdered by an Indian tribe, and John Williams from becoming a happy meal.
Good God from Zion!
Looks like a simple question, to me. And it isn't merely hypothetical. Happens quite often, I'm sure. Want to answer?
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