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Old 05-18-2007, 12:16 PM
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But Praxeas almost every cult and hersy will admit that Jesus is God! The issue isn't one of words but of meanings, what does a Mormon, Trinitarian, JW and Oneness person mean when they say; 'Jesus is God.' sadly the answer is completely different things with regard to the application of divine attributes to the nature of the Father and the Son.

Most cults will say that the Son (Jesus) is God, but will then deny that the Son is eternal, immutible, creator, omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient etc. The Bible never states that those who say; 'Jesus is God' are saved or even can be saved. Salvation is dependent upon the application of every divine attribute to the Son which is also applied to the Father, so that if a person were to say that God is eternal or the Father is eternal, but the Son is not eternal, then that person has broken John 8:24.

Likewise the Bible teaches that the Father and the Son are both omnipresent (as the Father and also as the Son), so if a cult say the JWs were to deny this truth then once again; John 8:24. You see a person cannot be a true Christian simply by saying 'jesus is God' becasue every cult also affirms this and then qualifies either the word 'jesus' or the word 'God' to mean that he;s only called God but he doesn't possess any divine attributes (as the Son). So once again John 8:24, the Son is YHWH and those who deny this such as JWs, Mormons, Unitarians etc cannot be saved.
JWs do not teach the Son is God. Unitarians do not teach the Son is God. Mormons teach the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are all three different persons like YOU do and that the are each fully God...hmmm like YOU do.

Father and Son are omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent and are both the same One Creator because Yahweh God is both Father and Son. Yahweh became the Son when HE was hypostatically united with a Human nature.

The simple truth Robert and my brothers here, is that Robert here does NOT want to engage his brain and accept what we say we believe and in particular here when MF and myself says what we believe. He can never get passed that because he wants to define what we believe himself, for us.

That is no different than us defining for him that he believes in three gods...Im sure he would not like that
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Old 05-21-2007, 04:33 AM
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JWs do not teach the Son is God.


Yes they do, they calim that the SOn is the mighty God but not the ALmighty God, which in their theology means that the Son is really an angel (Michael) who's incarnated as a man. Obviously they're wrong, but my point is that most of the cults do call jesus ..... God in some misdefined sense.
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Old 05-21-2007, 12:19 PM
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Yes they do, they calim that the SOn is the mighty God but not the ALmighty God, which in their theology means that the Son is really an angel (Michael) who's incarnated as a man. Obviously they're wrong, but my point is that most of the cults do call jesus ..... God in some misdefined sense.
They do NOT claim the Son is God. They claim he is a god, a divine one, an angel. Stop trying to twist and obfuscate things.
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